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re: Get ready for more riots, etc....Miami cops shoot unarmed disabilities therapist
Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:12 am to NYNolaguy1
Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:12 am to NYNolaguy1
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I was always taught to never point a firearm at something I didn't intend to shoot, and to keep my finger away from the trigger until ready to fire. Maybe they were taught something different?
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accidental shooting
Underlined the word you seemed to miss.
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:14 am to NYNolaguy1
quote:Yea, pretty sure that's not in the police officer handbook to do the same.
I was always taught to never point a firearm at something I didn't intend to shoot
Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:15 am to LNCHBOX
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I still stand by my comments that that doctored up vid fooled a lot of you, and Patrick is a dumbass.
Patrick is a dumbass, but the "doctored up" video showed all of the events as they happened. It just left out the cops talking to a family member AFTER Patrick was already cuffed. You and Chad freaked out about the police department releasing the videos and the press release saying the original was doctored, but as it turns out it didn't leave out any relevant information. That was a fun thread. Good times.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:15 am to slackster
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but the "doctored up" video showed all of the events as they happened
No it didn't. They claimed 38 seconds real time between initial contact and tasing, and that's a flat out lie. But we're not doing this again.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:16 am to Ace Midnight
quote:I hear ya, but what the heck is a cop supposed to do in the hypothetical situation?
Second, what happens in a lot of cases is that cops show up, you know, to stop the guy from hurting himself, and end up killing him to keep him from killing himself. That's literally insane.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:16 am to LNCHBOX
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Underlined the word you seemed to miss.
But that's kinda the point, right? To keep your finger away from trigger until ready to fire to avoid an accidental shooting? I hope that most academies teach this to their recruits. There was a NYPD officer that was recently convicted in a very similar situation- only the victim died.
So I mean this can at best be a negligent/accidental discharge or at worst be a bad intentional shoot, correct?
Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:17 am to NYNolaguy1
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But that's kinda the point, right? To keep your finger away from trigger until ready to fire to avoid an accidental shooting? I hope that most academies teach this to their recruits. There was a NYPD officer that was recently convicted in a very similar situation- only the victim died.
So I mean this can at best be a negligent/accidental discharge or at worst be a bad intentional shoot, correct?
It is the point, but you rattling on about what you were taught is kind of irrelevant. It's called an accident for a reason. That's not me saying no punishment should come, before someone tries to claim that.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:19 am to slackster
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Patrick is a dumbass
true
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You and Chad freaked out about the police department
nah, you liberals freaked out about the policeman doing his job that day.
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That was a fun thread. Good times.
sure was.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:19 am to ChewyDante
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I was always taught to never point a firearm at something I didn't intend to shoot, and to keep my finger away from the trigger until ready to fire. Maybe they were taught something different?
Let's not be melodramatic or disingenuous. You are not a police officer. Police officers reasonably draw their weapons all the time on persons they do not necessarily intend to shoot but that may present a threat as they are required to intervene in dangerous scenarios with very limited information. So apples and oranges.
But yes, as I said, it would appear to be a negligent shooting unless there is some significant contextual information that the story has omitted.
Let's be honest, there is a significant distinction between that and the idea of cops deliberately shooting black suspects due to racial prejudice. At minimum this cop should lose his job if that turns out to be the case. Lawyers would have to chime on whether these kinds of incidents warrant criminal charges or not.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:21 am to NYNolaguy1
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To keep your finger away from trigger until ready to fire to avoid an accidental shooting?
Agreed.
If you go back and look at that bus video where the male cop bailed out the female cop, good training shows.
Even after he had discharged his weapon multiple times, when he reentered the bus, he had his finger outside the trigger guard.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:24 am to CptBengal
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shoot unarmed disabilities therapist
I'm confused, did he not have a weapon, or did he not have arms
Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:26 am to ChewyDante
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But yes, as I said, it would appear to be a negligent shooting unless there is some significant contextual information that the story has omitted.
Let's be honest, there is a significant distinction between that and the idea of cops deliberately shooting black suspects due to racial prejudice. At minimum this cop should lose his job if that turns out to be the case. Lawyers would have to chime on whether these kinds of incidents warrant criminal charges or not.
Honestly I don't really care about the race of all involved.
There have been plenty of whites (and other races) killed by police that have been unjustified that bother me much more than this incident.
The two Marksville rogue marshals that killed the 6 year old boy come to mind, or homeowners shot in the middle of the night at their home when the police go to the wrong address. For me it's really not about race.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:33 am to JScoop8
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‘Sir, why did you shoot me?’ and his words to me were, ‘I don’t know.'”
Now thats a sig worthy quote right there.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:34 am to Chad504boy
I watched the Patrick video and still do not understand how what he did was "dumb." You are Monday morning quarterbacking the perfect response to three cops coming on to you for no reason.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:39 am to TheCaterpillar
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That Patrick/Michael thread was greatness.
Link?
Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:44 am to white_mj
So why did they handcuff him after they shot him and couldn't explain why they did?
Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:47 am to LSUtoOmaha
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what he did was "dumb."
he was asked to get out of the car and retreated into vehicle when asked to put hands on car. the sole purpose was to insure the safety and survival of all so that the cops can make sure this young dude in the ghetto doesn't try to harm the officers when the officers were under an impression they were arresting someone with an outstanding warrant. How stupid must you be to have the fricking nerve to call me a monday morning quarterback when they whole argument is you knowing that he wasn't trying to hurt the officers when you don't fricking know that in the moment. stupid arse
Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:47 am to CptBengal
Idiot should go to jail. Incompetence might be worse than malice
Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:48 am to brbengalgal
quote:to make sure that he was protected and served of course.
So why did they handcuff him after they shot him and couldn't explain why they did?
Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:49 am to brbengalgal
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So why did they handcuff him after they shot him and couldn't explain why they did?
Generally speaking police have no obligation to tell you the truth or anything that could incriminate themselves.
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