re: Gen Z will end up more successful than millennials

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exactly. i was in the trades...all the OT likes to act like welders are knocking down 200k all over they are but its takes 2000 hours of ot to make that happen plus working out of town all the time. they are making ~$35 an hour plumbers are making about 60k on average, hvac the same sure you can eventually own a business, but that is something totally different than being a tradesman. but sure go into the trades, less competition for me and my kids. but dont get mad when there is a 80% chance you never make it out of dead center middle class.

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That’s more than what people with degrees are making.


No one said you’re getting rich off a trade job so what are you talking about 200k you won’t even get that with 99.9% of degrees

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Get into administration- It has become bloated and unnecessary

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There are still plenty of jobs in middle management out there and is one of the hardest positions to fill in our company. In a world of specialization, it's hard to find people who have some knowledge in many fields and can manage people.

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“What I did” “What I make” “What I had”

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And we hire college kids every single year, and they are making more than that now.

We have like 13 interns starting next month making over $30/hour

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There is still plenty of jobs in middle management out there and is one of the hardest positions to fill in our company. In a world of specialization, it's hard to find people who have some knowledge in many fields and can manage people.

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>Wont train anyone
>Wont promote anyone
>Hiring manager uses tech to screen and toss out majority of applicants
>Person who qualified and has decades of experience demands too much salary


This is the exact reason why I’m leaving middle management the worst part the people they do choose are the most incompetent and why most work places have high turnaround the pay is secondary

Trades are great until you reach about your 45th birthday and you lose a minor step that you can mask with knowledge and experience. By the time you are 55 that is no longer the case. There are only so many project managers, superintendents, general foreman and owners to go around....almost all tradespeople who start in a trade in the 20s will be doing something else for a living by the time they are 50 and many will be disabled by the time they are 60. I know, I know, anecdotally there's that dude that is still walking iron 50 stories up with no harness who is 113 years old....but here in the real world that bastards body was worn out when he was 50....

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No one said you’re getting rich off a trade job so what are you talking about 200k you won’t even get that with 99.9% of degrees

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yea but you dont understand...they are making that working 4000 hours a year and working out of town 9 months of the year. thats fricking stupid and that 200k include per diem.

not to mention the physical cost on the body.

and yea you are not getting rich of a trades job, 99% wont but they will work themselves to death. and look i love the trades....but on this board the pendulum has swung way way way too far and people on this board who have never even been in the trades are telling everyone that they need to go into them.

people have no clue. I have done both...im telling you, one is much much much better


and want to talk about lack of upward mobility......the guy with no degree has very very low % of ever making it above foreman level.


you can believe whatever you want....but i could go outside right now...go ask 25 people working on thier tools if they would trade jobs and salary with me right now....all 20 would say yes because working in the fricking heat all day on the arse end of a rivet buster or building formwork or pulling wire or turning pipe or climbing in an attic installing ducts, climbing under an old house having shite water drip on you while laying in said water......sucks major dick.

and until you have busted your arse in the august heat or froze your arse off in the rain in january.....your opinion means jack shite.

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not to mention the physical cost on the body.

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and missed travel ball tournaments






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you can believe whatever you want....but i could go outside right now...go ask 25 people working on thier tools if they would trade jobs and salary with me right now....all 20 would say yes because working in the fricking heat all day on the arse end of a rivet buster or building formwork or pulling wire or turning pipe or climbing in an attic installing ducts, climbing under an old house having shite water drip on you while laying in said water......sucks major dick. and until you have busted your arse in the august heat or froze your arse off in the rain in january.....your opinion means jack shite.

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I worked in roofing bozo also what I’m going into requires none of that

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I think the point is that yes, you can make more money working in the trades than with a degree

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This is generally not true