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re: Fwiw, killing of unarmed blacks by police has fallen from 40 in 2015 to 9 in 2019
Posted on 5/31/20 at 5:16 pm to Aristo
Posted on 5/31/20 at 5:16 pm to Aristo
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Very few are equipped for mental health issues. I'm not really sure how we solve that issue either.
It’s a sad situation. A failure of the system.
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Posted on 5/31/20 at 5:18 pm to Harry Morgan
Yeah I see it, but the table unfortunately doesn't make a distinction about whether the suspect was unarmed or armed before the encounter, which is the distinction I was trying to make about the relative rarity. And I was looking from the perspective of deaths of unarmed people against police, and didn't do the inverse, which I should have done to narrow down the total number of unarmed people at the beginning of the encounter, who stole an officers weapon, and ended up killing the officer.
Posted on 5/31/20 at 5:22 pm to Aristo
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Very few are equipped for mental health issues. I'm not really sure how we solve that issue either.
They aren't. Tasing someone who is having a manic episode has some terrible effects. I think there was one study out of the UK that described either onset of PTSD or exacerbation after the mentally ill were tased by police. I don't think anyone anywhere has developed a good way of dealing with these episodes go beyond the ability of caretakers to control.
Posted on 5/31/20 at 5:22 pm to crazy4lsu
I wasn’t looking at the distinction of unarmed initially. But 20 is a bit higher than I thought.
Posted on 5/31/20 at 5:22 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
In addition.
"Unarmed" does not mean "not dangerous".
"Unarmed" does not mean "not dangerous".
Posted on 5/31/20 at 5:27 pm to crazy4lsu
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They aren't. Tasing someone who is having a manic episode has some terrible effects. I think there was one study out of the UK that described either onset of PTSD or exacerbation after the mentally ill were tased by police. I don't think anyone anywhere has developed a good way of dealing with these episodes go beyond the ability of caretakers to control.
Long term care for this is woefully inadequate. Sadly they get caught in the “treat ‘em and street ‘em” merry go round and go right back to the street or wherever. It’s pretty much a no-win for law enforcement.
Posted on 5/31/20 at 5:27 pm to Harry Morgan
It seems to average out to one or two incidents a year, but I'm really interested in the 2010 year, when there were 4 deaths related to having a weapon stolen. I'd really like to find the context of those encounters too. I'd wager that some of these scenarios might be drug deals or stings that went south.
Posted on 5/31/20 at 5:33 pm to crazy4lsu
There’s another table I briefly looked at. It breaks down the type of situation, such as domestic, drug deal, and so on. I don’t know if it cross referenced to officers’ gun taken.
Posted on 5/31/20 at 5:35 pm to Harry Morgan
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Long term care for this is woefully inadequate. Sadly they get caught in the “treat ‘em and street ‘em” merry go round and go right back to the street or wherever. It’s pretty much a no-win for law enforcement.
Oh I know. The number of psychiatric beds in this country has decreased by 500,000 since 1950, in a process called deinstitutionalization where state psychiatric hospitals were closed and the onus placed on community health centers, who did not have the capacity to meet the mental health challenges. Our per capita level of beds is around 40ish or so per 100k, when the minimum capacity for our population is 60ish beds per 100k. This process has played a major role in things like homelessness too. Police are asked to do far too much, but no one sees the need to build new beds, and the beds that do remain are 100% full all the time.
Posted on 5/31/20 at 5:41 pm to Sponge
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Ambush-style killings of police up 167% in 2016
it's been 5 years since Housing Authority of New Orleans (HANO) Police officer James Bennett was shot and killed while sitting in his patrol car by a suspect who walked up from behind... put his gun up to the car's driver's side window and pulled the trigger
Bennett had no idea the suspect was there... he was keeping his eyes on a HANO construction site
the case is now ice cold
Fox 8 story on the case from this past February
I was recently reminded of this case b/c it was the topic of an episode of The First 48 when they followed NOPD homicide... that episode recently replayed as part of the million of First 48 marathons A&E is currently running
This post was edited on 5/31/20 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 5/31/20 at 5:42 pm to Harry Morgan
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There’s another table I briefly looked at. It breaks down the type of situation, such as domestic, drug deal, and so on. I don’t know if it cross referenced to officers’ gun taken.
Usually the cross reference work has to be done by hand to avoid redundancies. From the data, we can conclude there is a range of possible interactions where an unarmed person reached for or took the officers weapon, but we aren't including situations where both parties lived, and say, a weapon was fired by someone other than the officer. I think we can agree that its a rare situation, but not so rare that it doesn't warrant precaution on the part of the officer. You'll have to forgive me for using the victim data solely, as that gives the indication that it is an extremely rare occurrence, as I hadn't considered the possibility where the officer perished in the encounter. My apologies.
Posted on 5/31/20 at 5:43 pm to crazy4lsu
And short term care can’t even scratch the surface. Someone gets a PEC for 48 hours, and if they play nice, they get released. They take their meds like a good patient until discharge. If they live with elderly parents for example, they may be unable to assist much. They may have no where else to go. Then it just repeats itself. 
Posted on 5/31/20 at 5:44 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Nine.......Nine
Killer bees are a bigger problem in the U.S. than unarmed blacks getting killed by police
Killer bees are a bigger problem in the U.S. than unarmed blacks getting killed by police
Posted on 5/31/20 at 5:48 pm to Harry Morgan
I've seen situations where I honestly don't know how the person continued living. Dealt with it first-hand at this hospital where I worked where lots of discharge related details were delegated to me.
Posted on 5/31/20 at 5:59 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Do you have a link to that article or study? That is crazy. Would love to read it
Posted on 5/31/20 at 6:32 pm to armsdealer
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Not killing people should be a really easy thing to get perfect. Perfection is expected of the public, why not the cops?
Lmao, are you that dense? The public isn't expected to go into dangerous situations, dealing with drug dealers and murderers every day. How many times do you think cops across the country go into the heart of the hood, surrounded by a demographic that hates their guts, in the dead of the night, to interact with thugs that are probably high and have nothing to lose? Probably hundreds of millions of times a year. And only 9 people died. That's incredible. You don't have enough space on your phone screen for all the 0s behind the decimal if you calculated that percentage. It's like a rate of 0.000000000000009% of the time does something go wrong. Statistically, it's just never going to be 0.0. Expecting otherwise is setting yourself up for disappointment. White folks get killed unjustly too.
Eta: I think what happened to George Lloyd specifically should never happen. But rarely is the situation that easy to dissect. What if a cop is chasing a perp and tackles him, but the perps head lands on the pavement wrong and dies? The cop tried to keep his weapon holstered, but you just have to realize the context of the interactions the police have are already an elevated amount of emotions, danger, etc. Something is bound to go wrong occasionally.
This post was edited on 5/31/20 at 6:55 pm
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