re: Friendly no smoking reminder: Starting in June, no smoking in bars and casinos

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Was just at Habana Port today. Go there all of the time. Wonder if it matters that it’s not a bar? Would this apply to private clubs? That’s a typical way around these dumb laws.

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I'm not sure. One of the owners talked with me about this law a few weeks ago but I didn't really get any clarification. Churchills and Don Juan both sell booze and let you smoke inside but they are damn cigar bars/shops. It's pretty much the reason they are in business so it would be stupid if it affects them.

If you don't like cigar smoke don't go to a fricking cigar bar

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The game changer is that it is a vice which negatively affects the people around a smoker.

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A couple of points:

No one is forcing you, or anyone else, to spend time around smokers. Even employment at such locations is voluntary.

You don’t have a ‘right’ to a smoke free environment, just like smokers don’t have a right to a smoking environment.

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This is so dumb...so smokers rule the roost just because they have an addiction they can't kick? I'll say if you can't go a couple of hours without smoking while you're out then stay the frick home and puff away.

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I believe he's arguing that the business owner rules the roost (or should anyway). I happen to agree with that premise. There were already plenty of smoke free bars in BR.

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It’s way easier to find a non smoking bar than find one that allows smoking in BR. The market already tackled the issue 

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Agreed. Most of the more popular bars went smoke free years ago. Hell, you can't even smoke in Spankys on Sherwood anymore. Did we really need to pass a law for this?

I consider myself more of an anarcho-capitalist. I don’t believe the government should be involved in regulating much of anything in the economy. I think the Commerce Clause has been bastardized by a branch of the Federal government to give itself control in the economy that it is not supposed to have. I am almost 100% in favor of a laissez-faire approach to a capitalist economy.

You appear to think the government should be able to regulate private business at a minimum to provide for ‘a healthy’ working environment. Seems like you were promoting OSHA earlier? Some posts have run together.

Unfortunately (IMO) your view will probably win out in our Republic as the American people seem want less freedom as time passes. Among other things I blame government schools which provide very little in the way of economic instruction and will never teach antipathy towards government (I think all by design), but that is a topic for another day.

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In an ideal world, I am with you. Unfortunately, free market doesn't exist in the way your 10th grade free enterprise teacher taught it. 

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I'm probably more libertarian than most but I can agree that we need some targeted governmental regulation to protect citizens from abuse or unsafe conditions.

I also believe that such a power should be used sparingly and only when necessary. I don't think people smoking in a bar is such a situation.

I think people shouldn't wear their pants below their arse. I don't however think we need a law preventing this. I do support a business owner making the decision to not allow people doing this in their establishment.

Again, we aren't talking about a courthouse here. You can choose not to go.

Tough.
shite.
You smell. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

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What do you think your beloved government is doing now?

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At least i get a vote.

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You can tell by the votes on my first response who cares about rights and who cares about themself

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since when do republicans care about rights