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re: Friend diagnosed with Stage 4 Cancer - Health Advice Needed - 20-30 YO Males

Posted on 12/6/16 at 8:45 pm to
Posted by Maniac979
The Great State of Texas
Member since Jan 2012
2053 posts
Posted on 12/6/16 at 8:45 pm to
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Every girl I've ever been with has stuck their finger in my arse, so I think I'm good.


Are you implying that colon cancer can be detected by having someone finger your arse?
Posted by BeerMoney
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2012
8925 posts
Posted on 12/6/16 at 8:48 pm to
Having that blast of reality happens to us all bro. When it happened to me I went to a doctor and got examined. Explained exactly why I wanted to be examined due to bad things happening to someone else. Got my balls grabbed, got looked over, got blood work and a pat on the head. Every few years I get checked up again.

Stay the hell away from Googling it yourself. Will scare the crap out of you for no reason at all. Just go take the time and get the checkups from your doctor. It's all you can do. Sorry about your friend.
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
Member since May 2012
12300 posts
Posted on 12/6/16 at 8:48 pm to
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Light pink blood is fresh, like you ripped your butthole with a big turd or have h'roids.


Bright red, too. BRB has multiple meanings.

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Dark blood is older and probably from farther up in the digestive system. I think.


Yep. Black tarry stools are called "melena". (Not to be confused with "melania".)
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
72497 posts
Posted on 12/6/16 at 8:52 pm to
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As one who understands people are not immortal.


Quite the contrary, my understanding is that people are immortal.
Posted by Forkbeard3777
Chicago
Member since Apr 2013
3841 posts
Posted on 12/6/16 at 8:54 pm to
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Your friend should have done more arse play.


You fricking piece of shite
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
54596 posts
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:12 pm to
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I had a colonoscopy and they found a cancerous polyp. I had part of my colon removed and no other cancer was found. I was fortunate. I tell everyone 50 or older to have a colonoscopy. It saved me. The procedure is not that bad, you get to spend the day napping, and have a day of farting and your SO can't complain.


Thanks for sharing. It just has me freaked out. It happens to someone and you start researching a little on your own and bam! You think you have it....
Posted by liz18lsu
Member since Feb 2009
18042 posts
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:20 pm to
My BF is now 31 and was diagnosed in his early 20's with stage 4 colon cancer. Surgery removed part of stomach, 60% of liver and multiple feet of colon. He finished all treatments about 2 years ago and is fine.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
85685 posts
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:23 pm to
Agreed.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
38468 posts
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:25 pm to
Dark red blood, brick color blood, especially a ring around a poop log is generally indicative of internal bleeding in the colon. That should be checked out ASAP, , especially if it happens on more than one occasion . Bright red blood on the toilet paper and sometimes even dripping in the toilet is much much less of a Concern. That is typically an anal fissure or bleeding hemorrhoid. I have had bright red blood on the paper and even dripping over the past 20 to 30 years periodically. This is typically after straining too much and it comes with burning. The doctor checked it out. He said no concern whatsoever . I spent too much time on the toilet
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21764 posts
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:26 pm to
Recently had a swollen lymph node in my neck that persisted...

GP waited 2 months before a referral to a hematologist that ordered a biopsy right away. Said a lot of time it's nothing... or lymphoma. Biopsy came back benign, related to a form of rare side effect of exzema.

My point is that the most you can do is ask a lot of questions and watch for any changes in your body. Find a doctor you trust and be persistent to find out what's going on, if anything.
Posted by Whoopdedo_LSU
This is where I parked my car
Member since Oct 2015
1091 posts
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:33 pm to
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Not sure what GP is.


Basically a family doctor

Don't trust em in my opinion. Unless you know them personally. I've known a good few in my time.
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
6488 posts
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:37 pm to
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This post was edited on 6/14/20 at 7:42 pm
Posted by roguetiger15
Member since Jan 2013
17565 posts
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:37 pm to
To the OP, we had a friend find out he had cancer when he was 22. We tried knocking off everything off his personal bucket list (that was financially and physically able to). We were always honest about his situation, we never sugar coated it amongst our group. And we cherished every moment together. He passed away almost two years after being diagnosed. Looking back with our group of friends we wouldn't have done it any other way


I'm sending prayers for your friend and you as well.
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 9:40 pm
Posted by tigerfootball10
Member since Sep 2005
10157 posts
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:48 pm to
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Not sure what GP is.

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I am a teacher-29yoa

Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:48 pm to
Standard response (screening):

Close follow by a knowledgeable primary care physician

quote:

NCCN Guidelines for Patients


Link to currrent cancer screening recommendations.

LINK


Undervalued response (primary prevention through practical lifestyle recommendations and PROPER dietary recommendations for the masses...):

You are not a slave to your genetics. The environment that you expose yourself to dictates the expression of those genes...



quote:

9 Steps To Perfect Health


non-pdf version


quote:

Despite these considerable advances, we’re sicker and fatter than ever before. Consider the following:
Excess weight now accounts for one in three deaths among middle aged people in the US each year.
• A billion people around the world suffer from diabetes and obesity.
• 600 thousand people die of heart attacks in the US each year.

• One-third of Americans suffer from high blood pressure, which contributes to almost 800 thousand strokes every year.
• 50 million people in the US—one in six Americans—suffer from autoimmune diseases like Hashimoto’s, rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, and Crohn’s disease.
• Depression is now the leading cause of disability, affecting more than 120 million people worldwide.
Unfortunately, there’s every indication that things are going to get worse before they get better. This is the first generation of American children that are expected to live shorter lifespans than their parents. If current trends continue, 95 percent of Americans are expected to be overweight or obese within two decades, and one in three will suffer from diabetes.


See link below with mTOR (IGF-1 pathway)

quote:

Finding a Balance Between Building and Repair: Part 1


LINK

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Finding a Balance Between Building and Repair: Part 2 Intermittent Fasting


LINK





Ever wonder why obese people look older than their stated age...

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Building (growth) is an anabolic process that happens when mTOR is turned on. Stimuli such as resistance training and eating protein (especially the branched-chain amino acid leucine) turn the mTOR switch on. The hormone insulin also turns on the mTOR building pathway. This effect of insulin should come as no surprise to readers of Strong Medicine (SM pages 107-108) as we discussed insulin as a hormone of growth and storage.

As Dan Cenidoza covered in his Strength after Sixty post, the anabolic pathways of building are crucial to grow and maintain muscle mass especially as we age. Not enough of “turning on” the mTOR switch can lead to sarcopenia and frailty in old age.

At the extreme end of the mTOR building pathway is cancer. By the simplest definition, cancer is uncontrolled cell growth. Recent science has shown that many cancer cells have abnormally high mTOR signaling, putting them is a perpetual state of growth. People with insulin resistance (SM p. 180) have higher levels of insulin in their bloodstream at all times which keeps the mTOR switch activated. Thus, it is no surprise that those with insulin resistance/diabetes are known to have increase risk of cancer.

We also now know that high levels of sustained mTOR activation can lead to accelerating aging in many species, including humans. With this information in mind, it becomes evident that getting the proper “dose” of mTOR activation is key.

We need enough “turning on” the mTOR building (growth) switch to prevent the loss of muscle mass so crucial for healthy aging, but no so much that we accelerate the aging process and become at increased risk for diseases such as cancer.


mTOR is always {ON} in our ever sicker/obese population of folks eating multiple small meals of mainly carbohydrate/sugar centric fare (AS THEY WERE ADVISED TO...)

This road to hell was paved with the "good intentions" of trying to avoid dietary fat/cholesterol...

"Different/radical" response (rethinking what we know about cancer...)

quote:

Potential Tactics for Defeating Cancer — A Toolkit in 1,000 Words


LINK

see the links at the bottom of the piece linked above (and listed below)

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There is a deluge of writing about cancer.

Below, I’ve suggested a top-10 list of articles as starting points. Some are for lay audiences, some are technical, but all are worth the time to read. Here you go:

Looking for articles to pass to your parents, or to read as a lay person? Read these, in this order:
1. Non-technical talk by Craig Thompson, Pres/CEO of Sloan-Kettering
2. Science piece written about cancer (for non-technical audience) by Gary Taubes

Have a little background and want the 80/20 analysis, the greatest bang for the buck? Read this:
3. Relatively non-technical review article on the Warburg Effect written by Vander Heiden, Thompson, and Cantley

Peaking on modafinil during a flight to Tokyo? Want to deep dive for a few hours? Here are three recommendations, in this order:
4. Detailed review article by Tom Seyfried
5. Review article on the role of carb restriction in the treatment and prevention of cancer
6. Talk given by author of above paper for those who prefer video

Want four bonus reads, all very good? As you wish:
7. Moderately technical review article by Shaw and Cantley
8. Clinical paper on the role of metformin in breast cancer by Ana Gonzalez-Angulo
9. Mouse study by Dom D’Agostino’s group examining role of ketogenic diet and hyperbaric oxygen on a very aggressive tumor model
10. Mechanistic study by Feinman and Fine assessing means by which acetoacetate (a ketone body) suppresses tumor growth in human cancer cell lines


LINK

New York Times Article

quote:

An Old Idea, Revived:
Starve Cancer to Death
In the early 20th century, the German biochemist Otto Warburg
believed that tumors could be treated by disrupting their source
of energy. His idea was dismissed for decades — until now.

BY SAM APPLEMAY 12, 2016


This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 9:52 pm
Posted by tigerfootball10
Member since Sep 2005
10157 posts
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:53 pm to
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At the extreme end of the mTOR building pathway is cancer.

The 50 year old at the gym who has been juicing the past 20 years. Growth hormones make cancer cells explode just like muscle
Posted by thejudge
Westlake, LA
Member since Sep 2009
15187 posts
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:56 pm to
I can sy having been through the mill since 18 you just never know. Don't worry yourself to death over it. It'll eat you. Basic screening is all you can do sometimes.

Tell your friend there is hope. Im not sure where he is going for treatment but there is a surgeon at Houston colorectal clinic named Randolph Bailey.

His hands truly were a gift from God. He put me back together after they told me at age 28 with a new baby girl my entire colon had to come out. High grade dysplasia they called it. Cancer was next.

He cut me at least 16-18 inches. Scar is pretty much non existent. He made me an internal pouch out of my small intestine. I shite in a bag for 4 months while healing. Then he hooked me back to that pouch.

Unreal work man. Maybe he can help your friend.

I'm 6'4" and back up to 240lbs. 34 and now have 3 kids. Hes amazing. Your friend can do this. He has to stay positive. Has to eat to keep his strength. When there is surgery your going to have to lift him up on the rough days man.

Good luck.

Randolph Bailey
Posted by LSUwag
Florida man
Member since Jan 2007
18110 posts
Posted on 12/6/16 at 9:57 pm to
You can't worry about that kind of thing. Get a physical every few years and eat a reasonable diet.
Posted by Blob Fish
Member since Mar 2016
3091 posts
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:13 pm to
Honestly, other than an annual physical there's not much that you can do to detect cancer early in life. The most common cancer for a young man would be testicular cancer. So, check your nuts. Melanoma is taking down more and more young people. Check your skin.

The best way to achieve a long and healthy life is through preventative measures: don't smoke, dont drink too much, don't be obese, don't do drugs, exercise, eat healthy, sleep, and don't do reckless things. The number one killer of young males is accidents. Also, listen to your body. If something is wrong, don't wait.

Cancer is, generally, a disease of the old, and colonoscopies are not cost-effective until age 50. There are also problems with overscreening. Doctors can't CT people yearly. New tests are on the horizon, but still not available.

Your friend is an unfortunate outlier. There is nothing he could've done to prevent early colon cancer unless he had a family history or was ignoring symptoms for a long time. Some people just have bad luck. Enjoy your life and love your family.

Prayers for your buddy.
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
32302 posts
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:25 pm to
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Don't trust em in my opinion. Unless you know them personally. I've known a good few in my time.



the best family medicine physician or anyone in primary care for that matter is someone who knows when to refer out to a sub specialty.

i know so many who are too arrogant to admit they just don't know it. There's nothing wrong with it, it just isn't their specialty. You wouldn't expect a neurosurgeon to know how to do surgery to repair a retinal detachment right?
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