re: Ford, GM, Mercedes come clean on EV demand weakness

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But with Trucks, Elon has the same issues the big 3 are having. The cyber truck is how many years late now?

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About the same amount of time as the Model 3 was late, seemed to work out ok for the Model 3.

But also, the Cybertruck was unveiled right before the pandemic which was a catalyst for all kinds of supply chain issues. There was only about a million of completely unforeseen and once in a lifetime type issues that happened since the initial rollout of the Cybertruck plan. If you're being rational, you have to adjust for those things and not just say, "Welp, Elon sucks and can't deliver when he said he would."

I would argue that much of the growth in EVs to which you refer is coming from the "command economy" of certain government(there's that word again) bureaucracies mandating that their agencies only buy non ICE/EV vehicles. Many states such as Ca, and more recently NM have mandated that all future vehicle purchases by their agencies MUST be EVs.

Weve been telling the rubes this for years. Planned economies always fail spectacularly

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Very limited demand outside major metro areas unfortunately.

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I don't understand why more rural people aren't considering them. They work great if your a 2 car family.

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Pack it up boys OP has solved the EV crisis and they won't make anymore

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EV is absolutely not ready, yet. No one wants to buy a vehicle they will have to spend 10's of thousands in 7-10 years to buy new batteries. You can't resell EV vehicles. No one will want them. They're disposable vehicles.


They're:
More expensive in every way
Worse for environment (the whole thing they're coined against)
Can't haul/tow for any distances

If you're wealthy and want an electric car? Awesome. Otherwise, hybrids are the only viable option for now.

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I don't understand why more rural people aren't considering them. They work great if your a 2 car family.

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I'm not rural, but we have the 2 car family and it works perfectly.

We take a yearly ski trip, so if it's super cold and snowing, we take the SUV. if it's a bit milder or later in the season, we take the EV on the road trip. I've had 1 work trip as well that wasn't quite far enough for me to want to fly so I drove, but it was a bit more rural and the charging infrastructure wasn't there, so I took the SUV instead of the EV. Having the 2 car family and 1 of each allows that flexibility.

If you have a family and couple of kids, you'll be making a few stops any way. It adds wayyyyy less time to a trip than most would believe when you're traveling with family/kids.

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Is there an EV that I can use to pull a 23’ center console, drive to Colorado or west Texas without stopping while hauling a bunch of crap? Can I drive it around the deer lease without getting stuck? Will said remote locales have charging stations (no)?

You’re damn right I don’t want an EV.

I kinda like my V8 diesel twin turbo.

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So the idea for the EV crowd is that you own 3 or 4 vehicles for specific duties. They will not accept that most people do not have room to park that many fricking vehicles, let alone have the money it would take to buy them, insure them, maintain them and drive them compared to your gas guzzle as expensive as it is. I have a 1 ton gas 4X4. It guzzles gas and I hate the damned thing...but I need it 7 or 8 times a year IF I had a smaller more efficient pickup. Without the latter I need that gas guzzling bastard just about every weekend. I have done the math...I can buy a small EV to commute and keep my PU for hauling and weekend jobs....but the extra expense of owning a second vehicle combined with the outrageous price of that second vehicle would take me about 70 years to recoupe...that ain't financially sound decision making right there....

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So the idea for the EV crowd is that you own 3 or 4 vehicles for specific duties. They will not accept that most people do not have room to park that many fricking vehicles, let alone have the money it would take to buy them

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What are you talking about?

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What are you talking about?

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I am talking about needing a vehicle to carry a load a couple of hundred miles a month and commute 50 miles a day and go on a road trip a couple of times year with the family. That takes 3 but if both spouses work they will need a 4th commuter. Even in the case of a single person though who has something that needs to be carried a couple of hundred miles a month other than a person they will need 2 vehicles because no electric vehicle will do the small amount of work they need to do. They are fine for commuting but not hauling or carrying. We have 48 Lightnings which are being used to basically commute about 300 miles a MONTH. They are about as practical for this as a unicycle would be. If they were being used to haul anything they'd be just as impractical. There is a practical application for an electric vehicle, it just is not practical for most drivers who need something different a couple of times a year...but that something is unavailable unless you own it....