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re: For those of you who work for a company that mandated the vaccine. What did you do?
Posted on 9/10/21 at 1:00 pm to SocialDelinquent
Posted on 9/10/21 at 1:00 pm to SocialDelinquent
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If you add up all of the other side effects, a significant portion that would survive Covid now have aggravating sun Pof rom a supposedly safe shot.
Can you provide some sort of evidence that "a significant portion" of the 5.63 billion doses administered have led to "aggravating symptoms"?
What is a "significant" portion in your mind?
This line of argument is really among the weakest of the anti-vaccine arguments.
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If someone forced me to get a shot after I “survived” COVID twice and I got a persistent ringing in my ears for weeks or months, I’d be pretty pissed.
I'd be pretty pissed too. I'd also be pretty pissed if I got struck by lightning while getting eaten by a bear out in the Gulf of Mexico. But, let's face it - the odds are extremely low that either will happen to me.
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Posted on 9/10/21 at 1:02 pm to DrEdgeLSU
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Not to argue with the seriousness of this particular complication, but 1:5500 is not what anyone would call “common.” That’s less than 0.02%.
Put it this way, fill Tiger Stadium with 100,000 people and give them all the vaccine. This suggests that less than 20 of those people will have myocarditis as a result.
I like stats like this. Reminds of the one that is something along the lines of 0.01% of people ages 30-39 are infected and die from COVID, yet if they work for certain employers, they are now required to get the vaccine.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 1:03 pm to CougarBait
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wasn’t in a hurry to get it but most all docs I’ve talked to told me the risk is way lower than with Covid. But I don’t have a Facebook Doctor wife, so I may not have the best information.
congrats i guess?
i don’t see why it’s necessary for everyone to take shots at the unvaccinated. we could all go back to minding our own fricking business about our health, that would be great.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 1:05 pm to Cowboyfan89
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I like stats like this. Reminds of the one that is something along the lines of 0.01% of people ages 30-39 are infected and die from COVID, yet if they work for certain employers, they are now required to get the vaccine.
me too. kind of similar to the stat that of the 80 million children, ages 0-17, in the United States. Less than 400 have died of COVID19. The majority of which already had life threatening illnesses.
But yeah, let’s mask up children and force those over 12 to get vaccinated. “Safety” “For the greater good” “We’re all in this together”
Posted on 9/10/21 at 1:09 pm to Cowboyfan89
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I like stats like this. Reminds of the one that is something along the lines of 0.01% of people ages 30-39 are infected and die from COVID, yet if they work for certain employers, they are now required to get the vaccine.
That stat is a pretty stark one as well.
I haven't seen any employers who only have 30-39 year olds on staff requiring the vaccine, though, so it's a bit of a straw man analogy, don't you think?
Posted on 9/10/21 at 1:11 pm to Klark Kent
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i don’t see why it’s necessary for everyone to take shots at the unvaccinated. we could all go back to minding our own fricking business about our health, that would be great.
As a country, and to a certain extent, as a global community, we've never really had a "mind your own business" mindset when it comes to communicable diseases.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 1:14 pm to DrEdgeLSU
right. so we should all do what we’re told and get the vaccine, not have a right to our own opinion or medical decisions, and regardless of our age or our health status.
“for the greater good”
“follow The Science”
“we’re all in this together”
“for the greater good”
“follow The Science”
“we’re all in this together”
Posted on 9/10/21 at 1:15 pm to DrEdgeLSU
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I haven't seen any employers who only have 30-39 year olds on staff requiring the vaccine, though, so it's a bit of a straw man analogy, don't you think?
what do you think the average age of those in the Tech Industry is? what about colleges?
Posted on 9/10/21 at 1:18 pm to I B Freeman
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Some other employee will sue him saying he is not protecting the employees from COVID.
Letting vaccinated employees roam the halls of the workplace is not protecting employees from covid either. Try again.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 1:21 pm to LoveThatMoney
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I agree government overreach is potentially problematic, though I don’t think we’re in normal times
Chicken or the egg. I contend that we are not in "normal times" because of government outreach.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 1:23 pm to omarlittle
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Letting vaccinated employees roam the halls of the workplace is not protecting employees from covid either. Try again.
Exactly. People without symptoms - period, no other criteria needed - are at the same risk of spreading it (very low to none). Has nothing to do with your new progressive status, that just protects you.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 1:25 pm to DrEdgeLSU
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I haven't seen any employers who only have 30-39 year olds on staff requiring the vaccine, though, so it's a bit of a straw man analogy, don't you think?
The only straw man I see is this one. If the vaccine prevents you from having severe complications, then focus on the groups having a significant number of severe cases. Don't force it on groups that aren't.
The "this is to protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated" argument is pure BS.
How many vaccinated people are ending up in the hospital? Not many apparently, so it must be working for those that want it, and they aren't actually being put at risk by the unvaccinated like the "experts" want you to believe.
And how many people are ending up in the hospital with a second case of COVID? Probably not very many there, either.
So what is going on here? Oh, not much, just some politicians playing god and deciding what's "best" for everyone.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 1:35 pm to Klark Kent
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right. so we should all do what we’re told and get the vaccine, not have a right to our own opinion or medical decisions, and regardless of our age or our health status.
“for the greater good”
“follow The Science”
“we’re all in this together”
Interesting, I don't recall saying anything close to that.
I just pointed out that generally speaking, communicable diseases have been managed through more public efforts to eradicate / immunize.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 1:36 pm to SocialDelinquent
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Two friends in their 30's with issues post vaccine for something they can or did survive is enough for me.
So you don't know that the vaccine caused any issues, just that they got sick at some point after their vaccine so, obviously, the vaccine caused it.
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they Googled their issues and many other people had those same issues
You can literally find film of horses fricking women online. You can find flat earthers online. Don't trust anything online.
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saw a university was finally starting a study on women having major issues during their period after the vaccine.
quote:So how are they studying it?
What is especially unnerving is that the medical community isn't reporting these issues
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I'd search both of those issues
And we're back to Googling, ffs
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These are only two issues, there are many more people complain about online
Anecdotal and more online searching
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they are occurring as I do with my two friends
So if the ear ringing is somehow due to the vaccine and is so rare that there is no medical confirmation of this as a side effect, do you realize how slim the odds are that you personally know two people with the same side effect? Funny thing about ear ringing, no one can verify it's happening.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 1:39 pm to DrEdgeLSU
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I just pointed out that generally speaking, communicable diseases have been managed through more public efforts to eradicate / immunize.
like Executive Orders from an angry President forcing private companies to mandate vaccines on their employees?
Posted on 9/10/21 at 1:40 pm to Klark Kent
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like Executive Orders from an angry President forcing private companies to mandate vaccines on their employees?
Just making shite up. Classy.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 1:42 pm to mmmmmbeeer
what? what am i making up? sissy little bitch
Posted on 9/10/21 at 1:45 pm to 0x15E
I work for a very large company and they haven't said anything about it today. Wasn't previously required or anything
Posted on 9/10/21 at 2:16 pm to Topisawtiger
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My son quit, cashed in his leave and starts work on Monday at the hospital I work in.
Yea there's been a small development on that front ...
Posted on 9/10/21 at 2:19 pm to DrEdgeLSU
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And your anecdotal evidence falls flat in the face of studies that show side effects do exist.
Myocarditis
This site you linked says that in 2.8 million doses studied, 23 people had myocarditis.
That's 0.000821%
A little different from your percentages in your odd russian roulette analogy.
You're absolutely correct. Let's use your numbers for my example. I think it's fair to safely assume that of those 2.8 million doses they didn't study every single person that had myocarditis so I'm going to fudge the numbers a bit for my example.
Let's also add Guillain-Barre syndrome which is a known side effect of the vaccine, and how about Bells Palsy, let's throw that in there too and those are only the ones I'm aware of there are likely more. I'll just say it's the same incidence rate that you mentioned for each since it's no big deal.
Tiger stadium holds 102k people. They are giving a shot to every one there. 75% of the folks will receive 100 dollars for getting the shot. 25% will not receive any benefit but if they get the shot will make the other 75% feel better. Oh... By the Way, 3 people that are in the stadium are walking away with a life altering illnesses caused by taking the shot.
You still going to play "Russian roulette" with those odds for absolutely no benefit?
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