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re: For those interested, a TL, DR on ISIS
Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:17 pm to SUB
Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:17 pm to SUB
quote:
That was a good article. I was unaware of a lot in regards to ISIS. I did find it interesting that it says that ISIS is less concerned with waging Jihad in the West and is more concerned with maintaining / expanding its borders.
Maybe, maybe not...
[In September, Sheikh Abu Muhammad al-Adnani, the Islamic State’s chief spokesman, called on Muslims in Western countries such as France and Canada to find an infidel and “smash his head with a rock,” poison him, run him over with a car, or “destroy his crops.” To Western ears, the biblical-sounding punishments—the stoning and crop destruction—juxtaposed strangely with his more modern-sounding call to vehicular homicide.]
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Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:21 pm to deeprig9
The little town of Dabiq may seem insignificant, but check out google maps and note its proximity to Ceyhan Turkey.
Ceyhan Turkey is the seaward terminal of the newest oil pipeline from the middle east.
It goes up through Turkey, around Armenia through Georgia, and into Azerbaijan where it gets oil from the Caspian Sea.
So what the hell does that have to do with anything?
In brief-
It fricks Russia
It fricks Iran
It is operated by BP, sort of.
BP is best buddies with UAE.
UAE-style Muslims are the worst kind of Muslim, by ISIS standards.
The threat of having that terminus shelled 24/7 from 50 miles away in Dabiq would frick Europe, empower Russia and Iran, weaken the secular world economy, strengthen the Arab Peninsula, enrich OPEC, and bring the West to its knees through a series of falling dominoes.
It's the perfect place for ISIS to set up a "Come at me bro" location to bring about the end of the world as we know it.
Ceyhan Turkey is the seaward terminal of the newest oil pipeline from the middle east.
It goes up through Turkey, around Armenia through Georgia, and into Azerbaijan where it gets oil from the Caspian Sea.
So what the hell does that have to do with anything?
In brief-
It fricks Russia
It fricks Iran
It is operated by BP, sort of.
BP is best buddies with UAE.
UAE-style Muslims are the worst kind of Muslim, by ISIS standards.
The threat of having that terminus shelled 24/7 from 50 miles away in Dabiq would frick Europe, empower Russia and Iran, weaken the secular world economy, strengthen the Arab Peninsula, enrich OPEC, and bring the West to its knees through a series of falling dominoes.
It's the perfect place for ISIS to set up a "Come at me bro" location to bring about the end of the world as we know it.
This post was edited on 2/17/15 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:22 pm to Flame Salamander
quote:
[In September, Sheikh Abu Muhammad al-Adnani, the Islamic State’s chief spokesman, called on Muslims in Western countries such as France and Canada to find an infidel and “smash his head with a rock,” poison him, run him over with a car, or “destroy his crops.” To Western ears, the biblical-sounding punishments—the stoning and crop destruction—juxtaposed strangely with his more modern-sounding call to vehicular homicide.]
You left out the context the author specifically broke down in the next paragraph. It wasn't a call to arms. It was disguised as a call to arms.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:28 pm to deeprig9
...the next paragraph...
...other than calling it trash talking I don't see that he backpedalled the ISIS call for violence in the West.
[But Adnani was not merely talking trash. His speech was laced with theological and legal discussion, and his exhortation to attack crops directly echoed orders from Muhammad to leave well water and crops alone—unless the armies of Islam were in a defensive position, in which case Muslims in the lands of kuffar, or infidels, should be unmerciful, and poison away.]
Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:30 pm to deeprig9
It's time to face the reality of the situation when it comes to ISIS and how to deal with them. The first thing we have to decide is if they are an enemy that we need to fight and defeat or something we can ignore. If we decide that we do have to go to war with them then we have two choices to make.
1. Do whatever is necessary to break their will to fight
or
2. Accept defeat
There is no middle ground on this subject. All that's left to do at this point is answer these questions.
1. Do whatever is necessary to break their will to fight
or
2. Accept defeat
There is no middle ground on this subject. All that's left to do at this point is answer these questions.
This post was edited on 2/17/15 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:35 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:
The first thing we have to decide is if they are an enemy that we need to fight and defeat or something we can ignore.
There's more than just those two options.
We can decide to keep an eye on the situation, support the surrounding countries like Jordan who are fighting the good fight in their own backyards.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:42 pm to deeprig9
quote:
There's more than just those two options.
We can decide to keep an eye on the situation, support the surrounding countries like Jordan who are fighting the good fight in their own backyards.
If they could defeat ISIS they already would have done so. The problem is they, like the US, are wanting to do this the easy way, with bombs from 20,000 feet on a merely tactical level. You're not going to defeat ISIS with the use of tactical air power. Hell, at least if air power is the means to be tried to defeat ISIS, the use of strategic air power would stand a better chance at actually hurting them. As things stand now, nothing of substance is being done by anyone to slow down ISIS.
As the article stats, ISIS is trying to establish a Caliphate. And for this to happen they have to control territory, which they've successfully done. The one thing air power cannot do is conquer and hold territory. That requires men on the ground. Until someone is willing to go in and take back the ground ISIS has captured, the ISIS issue will not go away.
This post was edited on 2/17/15 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:46 pm to cajunangelle
quote:I think the article just mentions in passing that this is the 8th of 12.
does it speak in depth about the 12th Imam?
Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:49 pm to Korkstand
quote:
I think the article just mentions in passing that this is the 8th of 12.
This. The Glenn Beck crew are counting ones that aren't recognized by Muslims when they say this is the 12th.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:50 pm to Korkstand
quote:
I think the article just mentions in passing that this is the 8th of 12.
Yeah, I remember seeing that mentioned in the article but nothing else about this "12th Imam".
Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:52 pm to anc
Posted on 2/17/15 at 2:05 pm to Korkstand
Also of note, the 12th imam has to
Come from Yemen, and make a stand in Khoristan (Afghanistan).
Come from Yemen, and make a stand in Khoristan (Afghanistan).
Posted on 2/17/15 at 2:17 pm to anc
Was this article written from the future?
Posted on 2/17/15 at 2:19 pm to deeprig9
quote:
The little town of Dabiq may seem insignificant, but check out google maps and note its proximity to Ceyhan Turkey.
Ceyhan Turkey is the seaward terminal of the newest oil pipeline from the middle east.
It goes up through Turkey, around Armenia through Georgia, and into Azerbaijan where it gets oil from the Caspian Sea.
So what the hell does that have to do with anything?
In brief-
It fricks Russia
It fricks Iran
It is operated by BP, sort of.
BP is best buddies with UAE.
UAE-style Muslims are the worst kind of Muslim, by ISIS standards.
The threat of having that terminus shelled 24/7 from 50 miles away in Dabiq would frick Europe, empower Russia and Iran, weaken the secular world economy, strengthen the Arab Peninsula, enrich OPEC, and bring the West to its knees through a series of falling dominoes.
It's the perfect place for ISIS to set up a "Come at me bro" location to bring about the end of the world as we know it.
This, all of this.
There is much more at stake here than ISIS is a threat/ISIS is not a threat blowhard media propoganda.
The fricking world media does not understand that it has placed itself in the middle of a very dangerous game, where one party does not consider it a game.....of politics, economics, socialism, justice, etc. They view it as the end of the world and the rise to heaven of their people. While we are playing war games, they are planning their own deaths along with the rest of the world, and they are hoping for it sooner rather than later. Their endgame is much scarier than our endgame. So we need to everything in our power to keep every one possibly associated with their endgame from reaching it. And that's the bottom line.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 2:21 pm to Nonetheless
quote:
Was this article written from the future?
and this.
Article is dated March 2015.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 2:21 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
it freaked me out for a second when i thought it was no longer february 
Posted on 2/17/15 at 2:23 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
quote:
The fricking world media does not understand that it has placed itself in the middle of a very dangerous game, where one party does not consider it a game.....of politics, economics, socialism, justice, etc. They view it as the end of the world and the rise to heaven of their people. While we are playing war games, they are planning their own deaths along with the rest of the world, and they are hoping for it sooner rather than later. Their endgame is much scarier than our endgame. So we need to everything in our power to keep every one possibly associated with their endgame from reaching it. And that's the bottom line.
and the really scary part is I do not see anyone in a position of leadership who has both the intestinal fortitude and means to do what is needed to address the ISIS problem. Like I said above, tactical air strikes and sending the Kurds a few crates of small arms is not going to do anything.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 2:24 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:
The problem is they, like the US, are wanting to do this the easy way, with bombs from 20,000 feet on a merely tactical level. You're not going to defeat ISIS with the use of tactical air power.
Can you explain this reasoning to me? I'm not trying to troll you here. But is ISIS impervious to missiles and bombs?
Posted on 2/17/15 at 2:29 pm to anc
quote:
The Islamic State may have medieval-style punishments for moral crimes (lashes for boozing or fornication, stoning for adultery)
I also just read that ISIS is now stoning people for smoking too, as they consider it a "slow suicide"
I wonder if Choudary (one of the guys he interviewed) knows about the above, cuz he was a partier in college:
Posted on 2/17/15 at 2:32 pm to Nonetheless
If the west occupies the land, then ISIS cannot occupy the land. If they occupy the land, then they can establish a caliphate which strengthens their fortitude.
Under their Islamic code, very specifically after they hold territory are they allowed by Mohammed to bring on the apocalypse.
Remember, they're crazy
Under their Islamic code, very specifically after they hold territory are they allowed by Mohammed to bring on the apocalypse.
Remember, they're crazy
This post was edited on 2/17/15 at 2:35 pm
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