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re: for the "there are good public schools in the suburbs" crowd
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:52 am to shel311
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:52 am to shel311
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feel comfortable talking with that teacher as opposed to a counselor who is essentially a stranger.
That is not the job of a teacher. They didn't go to school and learn psychology. The went to learn how to teach.
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Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:53 am to Oates Mustache
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In America, NO ONE CARES.
And in today’s culture, attention is more important than acceptance to a lot of people, especially movements.
This post was edited on 9/23/21 at 10:53 am
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:55 am to Pettifogger
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Based on what my high school kids tell me, I don't think it's declined enough to where we should dust off our hands and move on from it. I also don't think we should elevate anti-gay bullying over other bullying, but if what my kids tell me is accurate, it's the predominant form of bullying at their school.
Fair enough
Although I have the rather unpopular and conflicted opinion that the war on bullying is creating weaker kids while also recognizing the brutality of adolescent bullying.
Zero tolerance rules for fighting have done nothing but encourage bullying and resulted in kids that don’t care about her trying suspended reigning terror over kids that do care, so they won’t stand up.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:55 am to TDTOM
quote:Again, correct in theory. Not really how it works in the real world.
That is not the job of a teacher. They didn't go to school and learn psychology. The went to learn how to teach.
I'm not disagreeing in any way, just discussing what actually happens.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:56 am to shel311
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Again, correct in theory. Not really how it works in the real world.
I'm not disagreeing in any way, just discussing what actually happens.
Then the teacher should be disciplined.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:57 am to TDTOM
quote:You'll be left with virtually no teachers anywhere at any high school, but ok.
Then the teacher should be disciplined.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:57 am to LSUFanHouston
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We have spiking rates of mental illness because we as a society have gutted our capacity to care for mental illness... because the progressive left feels that we need to mainstream everyone, and the conservative right feels it's more important to have tax cuts than mental health resources.
You think mental illness diagnoses are up because we don't spend enough money on mental health treatment?
The gay suicide "gotcha" isn't one - I'm referring to suicides generally. I also didn't weigh in on that topic so it's irrelevant to my argument.
I suspect you'd agree that the persecution of gay people in America has steeply declined in all forums, including schools. I'm open to the possibility it's still more pronounced than other bullying, although I suspect that varies and I doubt it is pervasive as you indicate.
I also don't make a habit of deferring to the people on the ground in failing entities (public schools), although I'm sure there are good administrators, teachers, etc. who are not tainted by allegiance to said failing system and can speak candidly and authoritatively on the topic.
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Life is a range... a teacher without a "safe space" sticker doesn't mean the teacher hates gay kids. The sticker was just trying to say, hey, let's be clear, if you need someone to talk to, come talk to me.
It's been a political message since at least the time I was in college. That some portion of the people using it intend it as a genuine expression of compassion doesn't change the role it predominately has in society.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:57 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Absolutely. It’s a public school, religion/religious posters would be yanked with a quickness
There are a number of posters in this thread (you may not be one of them) who feel religious posters not being allowed in public schools is a big reason for the problems in public schools.
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Agree to disagree, maybe a teacher doesn’t feel qualified or comfortable discussing sexual identify or preference in their classroom so they don’t put up a sticker. How would the advocates treat that teacher? How would a more activist minded administration?
If a teacher wants to reach out to kids and help them through personal issues, that is their choice. That is nowhere in their job description to do so.
Most gay kids would feel uncomfortable talking to a teacher that was uncomfortable discussing sexual identity issues.
Again, acceptance isn't about forcing everyone to be on your "side", it is simply about not being treated poorly simply because of your sexual identity.
The advocates are fine with the teachers who are comfortable. And the activists... if they tried to force something, hopefully they would be called out.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:58 am to shel311
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Those protesting basically sound like they're being snowflakes and reacting to something that has no effect on them.
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by shel311
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:59 am to Oilfieldbiology
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It’s no longer appropriate to be tolerant of others life choices, you now have to accept them as a correct lifestyle.
What does "accept" mean to you?
Posted on 9/23/21 at 11:00 am to shel311
If a kid says to a teacher " my throat hurts, and I am cold". What is the first thing a teacher says? Go to the office and see the nurse. She doesn't break a tongue depressor and thermometer. Same concept.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 11:01 am to TDTOM
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hat is not the job of a teacher. They didn't go to school and learn psychology. The went to learn how to teach.
I don't disagree with you on the surface.
However, a good teacher, a teacher that cares about the kids, cares about the kids inside and outside the classroom. For a good teacher... it's a calling to help kids... which is why they put up with a lot of crap they put up with.
The idea that today's public schools have masters degree trained therapists sitting in comfy offices with sofas just waiting for kids to walk in and they can disperse life advice... yeah... that doesn't happen anymore.
So... the good teachers take on this duty... even if they are unqualified... because no one else is.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 11:01 am to shel311
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Again, correct in theory. Not really how it works in the real world.
I'm not disagreeing in any way, just discussing what actually happens.
I suspect upholding the distinction is actually pretty difficult, caused predominately by shitty and inattentive parents (and I suspect the huge majority are not redneck dads who hate their gay kids).
Ideally, teachers would have no/little non-academic impact on kids. While movie-like stories of inspiration and changing lives is nice, the role of teachers on children is probably ENCOURAGING shitty parenting and creating a cycle where advocate teachers can take advantage of vulnerable students and good teachers feel the pressure to take a bigger role to fill the void.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 11:02 am to GreatLakesTiger24
There are gay clubs in middle school in Ascension parish.
I dont understand how schools can promote any kind of sexuality to kids.
shite is infuriating.
I dont understand how schools can promote any kind of sexuality to kids.
shite is infuriating.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 11:02 am to Oilfieldbiology
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And in today’s culture, attention is more important than acceptance to a lot of people, especially movements.
Change that to say "to a few activist people" and I'll completely agree with you.
This is a big issue where the "silent majority" thing exists. The silent majority of gays don't care about attention... they are too busy just trying to find a path forward that allows them to be true to themselves.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 11:05 am to LSUFanHouston
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The silent majority of gays don't care about attention... they are too busy just trying to find a path forward that allows them to be true to themselves.
I think this is true for most issues. I do think that most of them would be supportive of something like this school club did. I know my gay friends have all said middle and high school were hell for them, not only from the bullying but the struggle of realizing they were attracted to their own sex, which was counter to their raising, and not having anyone to talk to about it.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 11:06 am to TDTOM
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That is not the job of a teacher. They didn't go to school and learn psychology. The went to learn how to teach.
You're so hellbent on proclaiming the safe space thing bad that you're saying really stupid things.
Schools actively encourage having an adult of trust in the building, and that adult will very rarely be the guidance counselor a kid never sees.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 11:06 am to Oilfieldbiology
Doesn't make any sense, but here you are.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 11:06 am to LSUFanHouston
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they are too busy just trying to find a path forward that allows them to be true to themselves.
Apologies, but what the frick does this even mean?
Aren't we elevating homosexuality to a lifestyle and culture than a sexual preference when we talk like this?
Shouldn't the goal be to foster a society where gay people can find a lifelong mate and live free of harassment and then set their sights on being a productive member of society and providing for the ones they care about?
Posted on 9/23/21 at 11:06 am to TDTOM
quote:We're just going in circles here. I'm just telling you what happens in reality across all high school campuses.
If a kid says to a teacher " my throat hurts, and I am cold". What is the first thing a teacher says? Go to the office and see the nurse. She doesn't break a tongue depressor and thermometer. Same concept.
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