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re: Folks on Ozempic who claim weight loss from other factors
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:09 am to CatfishJohn
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:09 am to CatfishJohn
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Just know the people scamming the system to get it paid by insurance are causing everyone’s rates to go up
This pisses me off and its primarily fricking fat white middle aged lazy women.
its always women.
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:10 am to SaintEB
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Type II counts for 90% of all diabetes diagnosis in the world. The most common treatment....diet, exercise, lifestyle change
Look, some common sense .
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:11 am to SaintEB
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How about neither is taking a shortcut.
Then legalize steroids.
Why can fat fricks that are about to die get a drug to help lose weight but others cant have a drug to help get jacked?
Control is why.
This post was edited on 2/24/25 at 11:12 am
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:12 am to CatfishJohn
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Obesity costs taxpayers billions and billions of dollars.
GLP-1 drugs cost the taxpayers billions and billions
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:15 am to Salmon
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So you are saying wait until you can inject the drug to eat right, exercise, diet, etc? That makes sense. Be lazy as long as possible then change your entire lifes habits all in one day. Sounds legit.
For a lot of people, yes
The assist motivates them to keep going, or with the weight loss, things become easier, which allows them to keep going
My FIL is the perfect example of this
You have said a lot of really dumb things in this thread
People are so mentally weak it is very disheartening and not only that, these are the people I would think are on the good side of politics.
It makes me weary.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:17 am to CatfishJohn
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Magic pill for the fatties. Their dream come true.
As much as I loathe laziness, I would prefer these people get skinny from a magic pill than the likely alternative of them remaining fat due to laziness.
Obesity costs taxpayers billions and billions of dollars.
Im overweight and I would never consider ozempic, ever. Its the easy way out for mentally small people.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:17 am to Burt Reynolds
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LP-1 drugs cost the taxpayers billions and billions
People being fat costs us billions and billions.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:18 am to jizzle6609
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Im overweight and I would never consider ozempic, ever. Its the easy way out for mentally small people.
bookmarkedPosted on 2/24/25 at 11:18 am to Salmon
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Oh. I’m not doing this dumb vaccine comparison “gotcha”
i dont do gotchas, thats for chicks.
I state facts, you either like them or you dont. If you prove me wrong Ill say sorry I was wrong, give you props and move on about my life.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:20 am to CAD703X
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bookmarked
Please do.
Im not a pussy.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:22 am to Burt Reynolds
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GLP-1 drugs cost the taxpayers billions and billions
Medicaid and Medicare only cover it if it is Type 2 Diabetes treatment, as I understand it. So fat people on either one of those without Type 2 Diabetes are coming out of pocket.
As far as insurance goes, they have generics and those generics cost far less than treatment of the host of co-morbidities that arise from obesity.
As a general thought, I do love that we are shifting away from romanticizing "body positivity" in fat people. Now that there is a shot*, a lot of these people are admitting "yeah being fat isn't good".
I am conflicted on the subject of Ozempic et al, but financially, as someone who has worked in healthcare operations for a very, very long time, it will be a net positive in our collective pocketbooks. Insurance companies, like crawfish farmers, are full of shite. They say everything will make prices higher so when they try to squeeze margin they can point to something.
This post was edited on 2/24/25 at 11:24 am
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:23 am to CatfishJohn
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it will be a net positive in our collective pocketbooks
Repeating it doesn’t make it true. Especially if there are side effects we don’t yet know about.
Maybe there aren’t, but spouting that as truth is irresponsible
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:23 am to jizzle6609
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People being fat costs us billions and billions.
The drugs cost more than being fat
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:25 am to CatfishJohn
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So fat people on either one of those without Type 2 Diabetes are coming out of pocket.
The workaround is that they get the provider to code the diagnosis as “pre diabetic”.
If it saved insurance companies money on inpatient, they would estimate the ROI and cover it but we arent there yet
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:25 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Repeating it doesn’t make it true. Especially if there are side effects we don’t yet know about.
Maybe there aren’t, but spouting that as truth is irresponsible
It's my field, professionally. I have done work on this for insurance companies and large hospital operators.
I can speak to it with a high degree of confidence, **assuming the shots don't have dire, unforeseen, and widespread side effects. That is a fair caveat.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:29 am to jizzle6609
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I state facts,
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If you prove me wrong Ill say sorry I was wrong,
Uh, if you are stating facts, how will you be proven wrong?
Maybe they're just opinions...
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:30 am to Burt Reynolds
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People being fat costs us billions and billions.
The drugs cost more than being fat
The drugs today, for young(ish) fat people, are more expensive than their healthcare. They likely haven't had all of the issues arise yet that come with being obese. But as a preventative of future healthcare, they are not more expensive. It is a long game.
For diabetics and old fat people, the drugs are cheaper than their fat related healthcare.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:33 am to CatfishJohn
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I can speak to it with a high degree of confidence, **assuming the shots don't have dire, unforeseen, and widespread side effects. That is a fair caveat
The it’s cheaper crowd also doesn’t acknowledge these people will likely be on it forever if they don’t want to be fat again.
The calculation they’re using is it’s cheaper to get them to a healthy weight on glp and then they maintain the healthy weight. I think that calculation is fundamentally flawed it doesn’t make a material difference in the cost of these people’s healthcare.
And that all blows up if there are ANY unforeseen circumstances or side effects that all goes to shite. So there’s a lot more uncertainty and risk than is being acknowledged
This post was edited on 2/24/25 at 11:35 am
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:36 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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The it’s cheaper crowd also doesn’t acknowledge these people will likely be on it forever if they don’t want to be fat again.
This is still TBD. There is some evidence that it permanently alters behaviors in many patients, even after stopping. But it is still early.
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So there’s a lot more uncertainty and risk than is being acknowledged
I readily acknowledge both.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:39 am to CatfishJohn
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I readily acknowledge both.
I’m not saying you, the overall feeling towards this is there’s no side effects and it will lower healthcare costs. I don’t think either of those are even close to being settled, look at the majority of the posts in this thread
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