re: Florida sheriff tells it like it is. “Throw a brick and we will kill you graveyard dead”

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Can someone explain to me why someone that is in the country illegally deserves US legal hearings?

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Can someone explain to me why not one Dem was concerned about hearings and due process when people were breaking into the country.

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What would be your point in fighting… you conceded already that their individual innocence doesn’t matter

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Because I personally know them.

Their innocence matters to me.

I would not expect it to matter to individuals who do not know them.

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Strawman argument… me not wanting a single innocent individual wrongfully convicted in no way means I want a thousand guilty individuals to go free

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That isn’t a strawman. It is the basis of the entire argument.

Is it better that 100 guilty men go free than one innocent man suffer.

I’m not sure I agree with that.


That argument is whether society would be better off with 100 guilty men being free rather than one innocent man suffering, an idea that I find asinine.

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in theory soldiers are fighting for a just cause.,. We discussing an individual being held responsible for something said individual didn’t do…

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We are discussing whether it is appropriate to sacrifice a single individual for the betterment of the whole.

Is that appropriate or not?

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no one is asking or forcing anybody to chose between a working social system and chaos

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Well, we already saw the multitude of ramifications of that very type of situation.

Was it appropriate to dismantle the police and criminal justice systems after the death of a singular individual, i.e. George Floyd?

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I don’t consider it otherworldly moral to not want innocent people convicted… it just seems right… how does it possibly help a society???…

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I am not arguing for the conviction of innocent individuals.

My view is that I don’t think it is worthwhile to shutdown or overly complicate a system if there is an exceptionally small chance of individuals who are innocent being convicted.

That is the entire basis of this discussion.

People are opposed to the idea of immigration raids and deportations because of an infinitesimal number of individuals MAY be incorrectly deported.

That is, IMO, insane.

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innocent people convicted

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to bring this back to the OP......illegal undocumented immigrants are not 'innocent people'

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Can someone explain to me why not one Dem was concerned about hearings and due process when people were breaking into the country.

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Or why they protect them when they get arrested and obstruct the feds from doing their job of arresting illegals in our country.

Breyer’s brother just ruled Trump can’t call up the national guard without the governor’s approval effectively giving governors a veto over the commander in chief. I am sure the KKK Dems in the south would have wished to get a Dem judge like Breyer when they were fighting desegregation of schools.

There are 2 part of insurrection act that do not mention request by or getting the approval of the governor.

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*Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws or to suppress the rebellion.


*The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if it—

(1) so hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or

(2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.

In any situation covered by clause (1), the State shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.

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People are opposed to the idea of immigration raids and deportations because of an infinitesimal number of individuals MAY be incorrectly deported. That is, IMO, insane.

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Blackstone was talking about 100-1. sure it’s the principle yada yada. but we’re talking about 1,000,000-1 at worst.

I like Blackstones principle. I’m fine with following it. but not to the end of my literal civilization. I don’t want to live in central america. and apparently neither do central americans. which I understand. what fools like lepagod assume is magic soil theory, until its too late. then they blame…..the people opposing it all along