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re: Florida man kills 70 year old customer and gets house arrest
Posted on 3/9/22 at 12:54 pm to fr33manator
Posted on 3/9/22 at 12:54 pm to fr33manator
The kids clean record and what seems like the dead guys long history of being an a-hole, even at that Dunkin, probably played into the light sentence as well.
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Posted on 3/9/22 at 12:55 pm to dallastigers
quote:The part where the guy got irate in the drive through to the point of being asked to leave, or the part where he parked his car and came in the store anyway after being asked to leave and was irate, or the part where he ignored more requests to leave while yelling at the staff and lobbing racial slurs.
Sounds more like the 27 year old came out from behind counter looking for a fight.
Which part?
The convicted guy shouldn’t have punched him and that’s why he got arrested, charged, and convicted. Punishment fits the crime.
This post was edited on 3/9/22 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 3/9/22 at 12:56 pm to fightin tigers
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One-punch murders, have always heard they happen a lot.
Old redneck called kid the n-word and got stretched out
Posted on 3/9/22 at 1:01 pm to fightin tigers
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Guy probably has a felony conviction
You think violent people like that GAF?
Posted on 3/9/22 at 1:01 pm to Mike da Tigah
Man Code 1: don't talk shite if you aren't prepared to get punched in the mouth.
Man Code 2: never punch a woman, child or old person.
Rule # 2 trumps rule @ 1.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 1:06 pm to Mike da Tigah
If he felt threatened why did he get any time? That dude shot that teenager like 10 years ago didn't do anytime other than while on trial. Doesn't he have a right to stand his ground?
Posted on 3/9/22 at 1:12 pm to fightin tigers
quote:Yep, that's what I took from the story.
The kids clean record and what seems like the dead guys long history of being an a-hole, even at that Dunkin, probably played into the light sentence as well.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 1:12 pm to Salviati
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Second, while he was initially charged with Manslaughter, did he commit manslaughter?
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(1) A person is justified in using or threatening to use force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to prevent or terminate the other’s trespass on, or other tortious or criminal interference with, either real property other than a dwelling or personal property, lawfully in his or her possession or in the possession of another who is a member of his or her immediate family or household or of a person whose property he or she has a legal duty to protect. A person who uses or threatens to use force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat before using or threatening to use such force.
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(1) A person is justified in using or threatening to use force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. A person who uses or threatens to use force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat before using or threatening to use such force.
Neither of the justifications seem to fit. Also use of force can be drawing gun out without shooting it while use of deadly force doesn’t actually have to cause death and can be just likely to cause great bodily harm - “…means great as distinguished from slight, trivial, minor, or moderate harm, and as such does not include mere bruises.”
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A Florida court described it as more than “slight, trivial, minor or moderate harm [and][a]s such, does not include mere bruises…” Heck v. State, 774 So.2d 844, 845 (Fla. App. 2000). Facial fractures, a fractured leg, and scars have all been determined to constitute great bodily harm by Florida courts. Id. It appears that broken bones, loss of an organ function, and disfigurement would all be considered great bodily harm in the context of use of force.
He already asked another employee to call cops to get the 77 year old removed. That was reasonable. It may have been reasonable to forcibly but safely remove the man and wait for cops outside if situation and slur were disrupting customers around him (company policy comes into play as well with what they can do).
The 27 year employee instigated the physical part of confrontation with the customer. He then let a word cause him to instigate and inflame situation. Came out from work area looking for a fight at that point.
This post was edited on 3/9/22 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 3/9/22 at 1:13 pm to Abstract Queso Dip
Furthermore with it being Florida that old man was probably on meth. He was irrational and rude to customers and asked to leave. That kid probably saved lives from that method out trailer trash. Kid was working an honest job and comes up in his place of employment and threatens everyone around him and
Some of you want to give him a pass cause he is older white male?
That's trashy. The kid plead guilty and owned up to punching a piss of shite human.
Some of you want to give him a pass cause he is older white male?
That's trashy. The kid plead guilty and owned up to punching a piss of shite human.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 1:15 pm to fightin tigers
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The guy who punched him isn't getting off free. Guy probably has a felony conviction and financially will be fricked for a while.
He had a clean record. That's partially why his sentence is so light.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 1:17 pm to Mike da Tigah
Stand Your Ground . It's then law
Posted on 3/9/22 at 1:19 pm to Abstract Queso Dip
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Abstract Queso Dip
Shut up racist
Posted on 3/9/22 at 1:23 pm to Beauw
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Not sure why you're being DV. I wonder the same thing, if I hit someone and kill them while being called a "honkey", will I get as light a sentence?
Im thinking not.
this is the issue of course
Nobody cares that a child predator douche got dispatched
But reverse the roles and it would be a national fiasco. No article on this decision will have any qualms calling the old white guy a sex offender, but consider the histories of all the police shootings, etc. where we were lectured about such things.
In a sane world, I'd think this was just. But it's not one.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 1:26 pm to chryso
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Apparently, if you say something rude it is ok to kill you.
What word, if spoken to white people, makes it ok for them to commit violence against someone?
It wasn't as simple as the guy saying something rude. He made a massive scene and was confrontational towards the employees. The black guy even asked someone to call the cops.
No, that does NOT justify punching him or taking his life. He should have shown constraint. But, there was more to this than a rude customer.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 1:27 pm to greygoose
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It's a culture thing.
It's a thug POS thing.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 1:28 pm to fr33manator
Yeah that's the #1 excuse for all their violence.
Court: Hey, why did you beat that 80 year old Asian woman to death and steal her purse.
Perp: Oh she called me the n word.
Court: But sir she's a mute, she can't speak.
Perp: She said it in sign language your honor.
Court: Nothing to see here folks. 2 years house arrest should fix his violence. This guy has no history and he knows sign language. There had to have been a good reason for killing the old lady.
Court: Hey, why did you beat that 80 year old Asian woman to death and steal her purse.
Perp: Oh she called me the n word.
Court: But sir she's a mute, she can't speak.
Perp: She said it in sign language your honor.
Court: Nothing to see here folks. 2 years house arrest should fix his violence. This guy has no history and he knows sign language. There had to have been a good reason for killing the old lady.
This post was edited on 3/9/22 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 3/9/22 at 1:31 pm to WDE24
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The part where the guy got irate in the drive through to the point of being asked to leave, or the part where he parked his car and came in the store anyway after being asked to leave and was irate, or the part where he ignored more requests to leave while yelling at the staff and lobbing racial slurs
Exactly. The guy shouldn't have thrown the punch, but fights have started for less.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 1:34 pm to Vlatket
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Court: Hey, why did you beat that 80 year old Asian woman to death and steal her purse.
Come on man. This is nothing like those cases. Look at the nuance.
This has nothing to do with race or the n-word. How would you react if someone yelled and screamed at you and repeatedly ignored your requests to stop? What would you do if they did that to your kids or your wife?
You should show restraint, but most people would not.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 1:35 pm to I-59 Tiger
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Sorry the old guy died,but in the way this instance is described I'm on Pujols' side.
I was on Derek Chauvin's side.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 1:37 pm to LordSaintly
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This has nothing to do with race or the n-word
Except the media made it about that.
That’s the enemy, the media, the manipulation, the lies.
The seeming way they can justify if the magic word is purported to have been uttered.
Don’t frame it as okay because some old a-hole said a naughty word.
Frame it as he didn’t intend to kill the old pedo but the old man was egging it on.
This post was edited on 3/9/22 at 1:39 pm
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