re: Florida is putting an end to all school vaccine mandates

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Im just to the right of mayonnaise.

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Where does mayonnaise fall?

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I never thought I’d ever see public health under attack in this country. Vaccines and other public health programs in the 20th century led to an amazing extension of average life expectancy and an increase in quality of life.

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Maybe this isn't a bad thing.

Hear me out- because these vaccines have been compulsory for so long, not many people know much about the diseases, treatments, or the vaccine to prevent them.

Whatever most people "learn" about them is via highly biased sources, because that's about all there is.

This can be a great opportunity for our state and national level health programs to actually educate the public on diseases, treatments and preventions. Instead of just telling them to just do it, trust the experts and you're crazy or antivax to ask questions.

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It’s hard to believe that tuberculosis was the leading cause of death in the US in the early 20th century. Public health programs nearly eliminated it, too.

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Not with vaccine, though... which is fine, but felt the contrarian need to point that out.

TL,DR... Public Health has an opportunity to educate the public instead of demanding blind obedience. This is a good thing if they tackle it right.

These people legitimately think the vaccines are worse than the diseases which they treat. We have to re-live various public health victories because we are surrounded by morons. We may as well start investing in expanding pediatric wards if people think this is a solution to whatever their warped views are.

Unfortunately, we overestimate the intelligence of the average American.


To most of us, the fact that we are even discussing not vaccinating children for these diseases is unbelievable.

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Then it is high time for a public education campaign instead of top down mandates and derision towards those with questions or concerns

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And when that doesn’t work, then what? Should we start plastering pictures of kids suffering from things like congenital rubella syndrome? The problem that the people doing the questioning aren’t going to be there when we have to tell a mother that her child might have bilateral sensorineural hearing loss. They won’t be there when we have to put that one child in hospice when they develop paralytic polio. They definitely won’t care when a child infected with measles develops subacute sclerosing panencephalitis years later.

I think most of these ‘questioners’ are fundamentally dishonest and don’t care about the consequences at all. They aren’t serious people. Why should we spend any resources aimed at them at all?

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This can be a great opportunity for our state and national level health programs to actually educate the public on diseases, treatments and preventions. Instead of just telling them to just do it, trust the experts and you're crazy or antivax to ask questions.

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You can do this right now with several free articles on PubMed. I can guarantee the audience this would be aimed at are not interested in the actual details or history. Ask me how I know.

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I think most of these ‘questioners’ are fundamentally dishonest and don’t care about the consequences at all. They aren’t serious people. Why should we spend any resources aimed at them at all?

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And this attitude is why parents don't always trust the doctors and health authorities... when they ask questions, they become public enemy #1, not only for the sake of their own children but because everyone pays the price for free riders.

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You can do this right now with several free articles on PubMed

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Studies? Paid for by BIG PHARMA? You might as well be transing your kids!

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Right. Until your kid gets sick and then what do you do? you haul arse to a doctor or hospital.

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They show up and then refuse what we offer anyway.

I still remember a rabies vaccine kid who was sent there by their pediatrician (an anti-vax pediatrician).

The dad, who was present, had mom on speaker and proceeded to ask every question possible, which I answered.

I spent 3x longer in that room in the ER than I did for anyone else that day.

I tried my absolute best.

They refused the vaccine and immune globulin and left after I wasted 2 hours of my time and a hospital room.

And people ask why we don’t try to convince these crazy people.

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Right. Until your kid gets sick and then what do you do? you haul arse to a doctor or hospital.

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In the case of that Mennonite girl that died in West Texas, the grifters blamed the doctors who tried to treat her and said they gave her the wrong treatment for measles. There's no winning with these people, so I guess we just let their kids die. It's morbid but if you refuse help for that long, what else is there to do?