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Fiery Crash on I-49: Car Fire Extinguisher (Update on victims)

Posted on 12/23/17 at 3:15 am
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18577 posts
Posted on 12/23/17 at 3:15 am
Last night l had to watch a trucker who had crashed burn. He was pinned, we couldn’t get him out, and the flames drove us back.

Today I’m want to go get the biggest, baddest arse fire extinguisher I can find and mount it in my trunk.

Recommendations? Do I want powder or CO2? TIA.

ETA: I’m told that one of the victims was a recent LSU grad. Unconfirmed at the moment.

ETA: News says the eighteen wheeler driver died. Goddamnit.
This post was edited on 12/23/17 at 10:17 am
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53616 posts
Posted on 12/23/17 at 3:19 am to
If your engine has a growing lit flame happening, you are going to need more volume than a portable extinguisher can give you.

There is a reason why they foam for stuff like that.

If the volume will work, any ABC rated one will probably get it done.

This post was edited on 12/23/17 at 3:21 am
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18577 posts
Posted on 12/23/17 at 3:24 am to
This was a grass fire. The guy had hit another car that was absolutely engulfed. No chance there. But he’d flipped.

The first car set off a grass fire. It caught the 18 wheeler. We tried to keep the fire away by smothering it and stomping, but there was no way that would work. I feel like a good extinguisher would have bought time until the pumper trucks got there.

We backed off just as the EMTs arrived, and they couldn’t get close.
Posted by Bullfrog
Running Through the Wet Grass
Member since Jul 2010
61823 posts
Posted on 12/23/17 at 3:27 am to
Would there be much risk that +120° summertime heating of the car would cause an extinguisher to explode?
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18577 posts
Posted on 12/23/17 at 3:29 am to
quote:

Would there be much risk that +120° summertime heating of the car would cause an extinguisher to explode?


Good point, and one reason I’m asking.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53616 posts
Posted on 12/23/17 at 3:30 am to
Just get the highest rated ABC extinguisher you are willing to spend, with the largest volume.

I looked into it. Apparently the official recommendation for engine fires is minimum 5 pounds located on a mount under the driver’s seat. Emphasizing those seconds are all you have before it’s something only a truck can fight.

In your case, I’d imagine it’s better to have a larger volume so you can spread it out.

Also argue that in that case a chemical would be better, as you would be dispersing a flame retardant coating rather than a puff of CO2 that limits oxygen for a time but allows the material to be relit.
Posted by starsandstripes
Georgia
Member since Nov 2017
11897 posts
Posted on 12/23/17 at 3:32 am to
I always though CO2 was the better choice because it will get into places that powder won't, and thus you don't have to lift the hood or whatever. But I'm not sure if that's the case. I'm sure any firefighters will have really good input for this. It's a good question.

Did the trucker make it?
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53616 posts
Posted on 12/23/17 at 3:33 am to
They can take it

Keep in mind the whole thing doesn’t have to be pressurized. Worst case scenario, the relief valve on the propellant let’s off some steam lessening the charge.

But they won’t go pop.

Myth busters actually had an episode on thT once.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53616 posts
Posted on 12/23/17 at 3:34 am to
It all depends on what you are fighting.

My answer was regarding an amateur fighting a brush fire
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
118273 posts
Posted on 12/23/17 at 3:34 am to
I was coming back from FL a few years ago and an 18 wheeler driver had died in a similar way. He was dead, seated in the cab, and everyone could see as they went by. I think he’d been burned to death.

It was pretty surreal. The entire cab was charred.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18577 posts
Posted on 12/23/17 at 3:39 am to
quote:

Did the trucker make it?


He got helicoptered off. We don’t know yet. But his diesel tank blew, and the smoke was ungodly.

My wife, a nurse, crawled under the wreckage to help him while my son’s and i tried to keep the fire off. There were about eight of us (a lot of people stopped). But we couldn’t keep the grass fire off the trailer. It was windy, and the flames drove us back once the trailer caught.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18577 posts
Posted on 12/23/17 at 3:41 am to
quote:

But they won’t go pop.



Ok. That’s good info. Thanks.
Posted by Walt OReilly
Poplarville, MS
Member since Oct 2005
124694 posts
Posted on 12/23/17 at 3:51 am to
No way I let my wife and children get anywhere close to something like that. Good on you though for trying to help.


ETA: this happened in la?
This post was edited on 12/23/17 at 3:52 am
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18577 posts
Posted on 12/23/17 at 3:52 am to
We are a stubborn people. No stopping them.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18577 posts
Posted on 12/23/17 at 3:53 am to
quote:

ETA: this happened in la?



I-49 near Mansfield.
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 12/23/17 at 4:16 am to
quote:

ETA: this happened in la?


LINK
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18577 posts
Posted on 12/23/17 at 4:25 am to
That’s it. The car was burning furiously. Whoever was in it had no chance.

The driver in the flipped truck was alive but pinned. But then the fire hit. It was pretty bad.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
86110 posts
Posted on 12/23/17 at 5:04 am to
quote:

 was pinned, we couldn’t get him out, and the flames drove us back. 

Today I’m want to go get the biggest, baddest arse fire extinguisher I can find and mount it in my trunk


If you were pinned and it was in the trunk, how would it help?

Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53616 posts
Posted on 12/23/17 at 5:08 am to
You could at least yell that it’s there to a good Samaritan .

Although....I hate to be potentially be the voice of hindsight: were all of the trucks fire extinguishers inaccessible? They are typically inside compartments marked on the outside.
This post was edited on 12/23/17 at 5:10 am
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
86110 posts
Posted on 12/23/17 at 5:17 am to
quote:

You could at least yell that it’s there to a good Samaritan 


Unfortunately, there's not many of these people left in today's society, that would actually stop to help.

Could mount it somewhere inside though.
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