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re: FBI officially Investigating California shooting as a act of terrorism

Posted on 12/3/15 at 3:57 pm to
Posted by Festus
With Skillet
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/3/15 at 3:57 pm to
So do we ever find out the details of exactly what happened, and the motivation behind this? Or in a few days, will it just be accepted as workplace violence/terrorism, and we're all urged to move on? Will this administration truly get to the bottom of this? Or will it be like the dude that shot up the military base?
Posted by Oates Mustache
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Posted on 12/3/15 at 3:57 pm to
Posted by ZekeTheTeke
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 12/3/15 at 3:59 pm to
Sloppy work by OP. Can we get some cliffs on the first page?
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 12/3/15 at 4:00 pm to
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Well, they point to this alleged argument before the shooting,

There may have been some altercation but I believe the reason for the attack was due to the reason for the party.
Posted by biohzrd
Central City
Member since Jan 2010
5887 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 4:01 pm to
You are right.. just speculating and still find it convenient that CAIR WAS envolved so quickly. Jesse, Farakhan, and the likes can learn a thing or two.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 12/3/15 at 4:01 pm to
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This means they had contact before the police ever released the name to the public. How does her brother happen to live in the same town when she met him over the internet? This smeels like shite. CAIR probably keeps better records of the Muslims in the area than our own FBI does, and got wind of this shite. Not to mention that CAIR is known to support terrorism.


Wouldn't surprise me in the least if the local imam told the BIL to lawyer up via CAIR. I'm sure all the mosques out there have the local CAIR HQ on speed dial.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 12/3/15 at 4:03 pm to
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find it convenient that CAIR WAS envolved so quickly.


The name was known by authorities - quickly. They used that to run down the residence. Maybe they called the BIL? Or, he heard the initial reports about Farook - called him, couldn't get him, assumed it was him and then called CAIR. "Hey - that's my brother in law they're looking for in SB. What do I do?"

Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
133470 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 4:04 pm to
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I should be so lucky. I lost mine at Chernobyl.



Luxury!

I was boating in the middle of the Sahara when wouldn't you know it, Sarlaac.
Posted by biohzrd
Central City
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 12/3/15 at 4:05 pm to
Just like when Clockmed got busted his first call was not to his parents, but to an attorney.
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
26051 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 4:06 pm to
Those damn sarlaac's ate Boba Fett too!
Posted by nerd guy
Grapevine
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Posted on 12/3/15 at 4:56 pm to
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The name was known by authorities - quickly. They used that to run down the residence. Maybe they called the BIL? Or, he heard the initial reports about Farook - called him, couldn't get him, assumed it was him and then called CAIR. "Hey - that's my brother in law they're looking for in SB. What do I do?"



CAIR?
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40594 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 4:59 pm to
Council on American–Islamic Relations
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
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Posted on 12/3/15 at 5:06 pm to
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There may have been some altercation but I believe the reason for the attack was due to the reason for the party.


Some news is reporting that there was an altercation. Some are saying there was not and he just slipped out.

For whatever my opinion is worth, I think he hit them because they were an incredibly soft target. That being said, he had explosives and could have done more damage with them, following it up with shooting.

It may come out later that he was probably trained in picking his target and making pipe bombs, but not so much in carrying out the attack.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
94786 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 5:16 pm to
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Some news is reporting that there was an altercation. Some are saying there was not and he just slipped out.


And he may have used the altercation as a pretext for him to leave.

quote:

For whatever my opinion is worth, I think he hit them because they were an incredibly soft target.


I agree - he selected the target, at the end of the day, because he was completely familiar with all details of it and that it was a large group of people in an open room.
Posted by rickyh
Positiger Nation
Member since Dec 2003
13011 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 5:17 pm to
Where is the third shooter? All of the early eye witnesses said that there were three people dressed in black protective gear. What are we not being told? Who has the baby?
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 12/3/15 at 5:22 pm to
Baby was the third shooter.
Posted by Mung
Ba’on Rooj
Member since Aug 2007
9166 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 5:30 pm to
i read somewhere that they had GoPros. Where is this footage, if hat is correct?
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
44883 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 5:31 pm to
No third suspect. Was just someone running during the chaos. Gopros were just a rumor. No gopros
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
104373 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 5:31 pm to
Baby was left at the grandmother's house. Not established whether there was a third shooter. Eyewitnesses can be unreliable, especially in a chaotic situation.

One of the talking heads yesterday said this could be a hybrid workplace/terrorism incident. Problems on the job made him susceptible to radicalization.
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
44883 posts
Posted on 12/3/15 at 5:32 pm to
The hybrid stuff is bullshite
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