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re: FBI officially Investigating California shooting as a act of terrorism
Posted on 12/3/15 at 3:42 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 12/3/15 at 3:42 pm to Ace Midnight
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That's what I meant. He impulsively hit this target and was quickly identified, as would have been easily predicted.
Ah ya, I would agree you would think an experienced leader could have gotten them to multiple targets and not gotten caught so quickly.
Unfortunately for us people who are inspired by this are going to learn from this and do "better" next time.
This post was edited on 12/3/15 at 3:43 pm
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Posted on 12/3/15 at 3:42 pm to AU24
What a shite show this thread turned in to
Can't say I'm surprised though
Can't say I'm surprised though
Posted on 12/3/15 at 3:43 pm to biohzrd
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He went in to case the scene
And I can see that this may have been the target all along - he was at the party in 2014. He knows the room, the layout and have a large group of people in an open conference or ball room. That's literally the perfect hit and run terrorist target. You don't have to go room to room, if it is a very quick direct trip in and out - you can go, walk in the door, empty the magazine, exfil to the vehicle and drive away before the response arrives.
And they did so - even with an extraordinarily fast tactical response - they had the first of the injured and wounded on the way to the hospital approximately 15 minutes after receipt of the first 911 call - and there was no chance to intercept them at the scene because of the speed and decisiveness of this operation.
This post was edited on 12/3/15 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 12/3/15 at 3:43 pm to Walt OReilly
Ace has surged to the top of the TD know-it-all rankings.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 3:44 pm to biohzrd
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Add in how fast CAIR had a presser with the BIL in attendance, in my mind seems to lean that they knew something was up. This was right after the media released the name of the husband. Too many coincidences.
That presser was 150% damage control. They knew they needed to get out in front of the story and help control the narrative. The CAIR lawyer and the spokeswoman had a choke chain on the BIL as well as the media. They came out, stated their piece, then left. Why the BIL chose to use CAIR as his mouthpiece is very telling.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 3:44 pm to Walt OReilly
Piss off, Walt.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 3:44 pm to Walt OReilly
Hey Walt, wyd?
Posted on 12/3/15 at 3:45 pm to the808bass
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But it's tougher to radicalize the Muslims there without direct contact. Just my guess.
Never thought about that.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 3:47 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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They are now arguing semantics if it was workplace violence or terror. It was clearly both.
I don't understand what workplace violence is. Do we have a classification for "off work violence" or 'weekend violence"?
If a guy is mentally unstable and his boss pisses him off and he shoots him then sure. The violence is directly linked to an incident at work. In this situation I have not heard one reason why the guy attacked people he worked with other than he was familiar with their situation and knew it was an easy target.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 3:49 pm to Ace Midnight
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They spooked them at the apartment and they rabbited. Now, they headed back into San Bernadino. My best guess is they were trying to get to the 10/15 intersection to leave the area. More coincidence they passed near the scene of the crime, I would think.
I would be curious to see how long into the pursuit they actually attempted to pull them over.
Maybe. Or they planned to die martyrs and it was all in the plan to get caught, then blow up as many cops as possible? If they were truly trying to escape, they botched it big time. People thought they were already outside of the country, and they're a few blocks away.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 3:51 pm to upgrayedd
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That presser was 150% damage control. They knew they needed to get out in front of the story and help control the narrative
CAIR has been waiting on pins and needles for this to happen. they knew it would and have discussed and rehearsed how to handle it 1000 times. Yesterday they finally got to go live with all the preparation.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 3:52 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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n this situation I have not heard one reason why the guy attacked people he worked
Well, they point to this alleged argument before the shooting, but that easily could have him being all worked up knowing he had a few machine guns in the car already. I'm a dick head if I get ink on my shirt, I'm sure I'd be a dick 10 minutes before I start shooting a place up too.
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other than he was familiar with their situation and knew it was an easy target.
That's my theory too from 100 pages ago.
I'm just willing to call it "both" since, as you say, "workplace violence," just like what is "terrorism" can be made as broad or narrow as someone wants to make it, which gets annoying.
This post was edited on 12/3/15 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 12/3/15 at 3:53 pm to Festus
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Or they planned to die martyrs and it was all in the plan to get caught, then blow up as many cops as possible?
Wouldn't they have barricaded and gone to siege? Or waited outside and ambushed the first tactical teams if they wanted to kill cops?
Rolling in an unarmored Expedition, with every cop within 100 miles in pursuit seems like a good way to end up on the wrong end of a gun fight.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 3:53 pm to Walt OReilly
Well look should showed up, old Walt, #1 retard.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 3:53 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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This has been my fear. Coordinated attacks scattered across the country in cities with little resources (less than 10k people). The feds and state help would be scattered very thin
So, like refugees spread out across many cities...
Posted on 12/3/15 at 3:53 pm to upgrayedd
I'm sure it was damaged control, but how did they get their hands on a 1st hand witness/family member to the perpetrators before the police and fbi were even able too?
This means they had contact before the police ever released the name to the public. How does her brother happen to live in the same town when she met him over the internet? This smeels like shite. CAIR probably keeps better records of the Muslims in the area than our own FBI does, and got wind of this shite. Not to mention that CAIR is known to support terrorism.
This means they had contact before the police ever released the name to the public. How does her brother happen to live in the same town when she met him over the internet? This smeels like shite. CAIR probably keeps better records of the Muslims in the area than our own FBI does, and got wind of this shite. Not to mention that CAIR is known to support terrorism.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 3:55 pm to biohzrd
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how did they get their hands on a 1st hand witness/family member to the perpetrators before the police and fbi were even able too?
all the world's a stage my friend.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 3:56 pm to biohzrd
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How does her brother happen to live in the same town when she met him over the internet?
Do we know the exact connection? Brother in law could mean he's married to Farook's sister.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 3:56 pm to Walt OReilly
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What a shite show this thread turned in to
Can't say I'm surprised though
Are you suggesting it could have somehow been improved? How?
Posted on 12/3/15 at 3:57 pm to fr33manator
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So, like refugees spread out across many cities...
They could get lots of help. What other organization is known for extreme violence and guns for hire? Already millions of their family members here
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