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re: FBI now thinks they'll lose in court, postpones Apple iPhone hearing
Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:43 pm to lsu777
Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:43 pm to lsu777
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which means they have written an operating system.
I seriously doubt they wrote an OS in the past few months that would give them what they need if only they had Apple's signature.
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Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:43 pm to MrSmith
i admitted i didn't know every detail on this particular case.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:45 pm to colorchangintiger
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I seriously doubt they wrote an OS in the past few months that would give them what they need if only they had Apple's signature
maybe i am wrong, but I had read that they only asked apple for the signature, which would mean to me that they have written the operating firmware, just can't get it on to the phone.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:46 pm to lsu777
Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:47 pm to Cs
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Translation: the FBI realizes it's going to lose the public and judicial battle with Apple and is trying to save face.
My thoughts as well. If that's the case this was quite the overeach.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:48 pm to JumpingTheShark
You're what's wrong with this country you pussy
Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:49 pm to NYNolaguy1
I don't mind them unlocking the phones so long as they can only use evidence related to the crime they are searching for.
For example, if they go through someone's phone looking for evidence linking them to incident A, they should be able to use it if they find it. BUT if they find evidence leading them to a separate, unrelated incident, they cannot use that evidence to prosecute for that unrelated crime.
If they search my phone looking for evidence of me selling drugs but they find out that I was buying prostitutes, not selling drugs, they cannot prosecute me for the prostitutes.
That's the only way I'm okay with it. Otherwise, that goes far beyond what the 4th amendment intended.
For example, if they go through someone's phone looking for evidence linking them to incident A, they should be able to use it if they find it. BUT if they find evidence leading them to a separate, unrelated incident, they cannot use that evidence to prosecute for that unrelated crime.
If they search my phone looking for evidence of me selling drugs but they find out that I was buying prostitutes, not selling drugs, they cannot prosecute me for the prostitutes.
That's the only way I'm okay with it. Otherwise, that goes far beyond what the 4th amendment intended.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:51 pm to colorchangintiger
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If this is true then Comey could be charged with perjury because in one of the sworn statements from the FBI it explicitly stated that Apple were the only ones that could unlock the phone.
There's no way Comey will ever get indicted for anything. No govt officials will ever be indicted by this pres or his cabinet.
I agree with you though.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:51 pm to soccerfüt
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B. Apple didn't help the US GOV? Maybe not publicly, don't buy in to the posturing by Apple.
Apple turned over everything they had. They've said this many times. They just didn't agree to helping the FBI unlock the phone.
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C. I am in the minority here but I don't care if they Jack-Booted thugs can crack my phone. This story is a non-issue for me. I'm happy living on the grid.
Can't you see this is the way to extreme manipulation? Say there is someone running for office that is outside the establishment and holds the same core values that you do, envisions the same America that you do. He has nudes of a woman that isn't his wife on his phone and they get leaked. Or he has explicit texts to his wife that get leaked that outline his extreme fetishes with her. Or he visited a website with a racist joke on it. Or any number of things that really have nothing to do with him as a candidate that could destroy his campaign. The FBI tried it with MLK Jr. Don't think the govt wouldn't do it again.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:52 pm to Dixie Normus
You and me both know that would never happen man
Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:52 pm to Dixie Normus
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BUT if they find evidence leading them to a separate, unrelated incident, they cannot use that evidence to prosecute for that unrelated crime.
They've about perfected parallel construction, so good luck with that.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:53 pm to Dixie Normus
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For example, if they go through someone's phone looking for evidence linking them to incident A, they should be able to use it if they find it. BUT if they find evidence leading them to a separate, unrelated incident, they cannot use that evidence to prosecute for that unrelated crime.
I don't believe that's how current search warrants work. If police bust in your house looking for drugs but find your army of midget slaves instead, they aren't going to disregard that.
Eta- in addition to what ^^^^^ he said parallel construction is where they do their own investigation outside of warrants and judicial supervision, then plant undercover agents on "anonymous tips" to frame the "bad guys". These include wiretapping, geolocating using your phone, accessing your emails, messaging, internet usage, history, bank accounts etc.
It's a blatant violation of the 4th amendment. If you have time Google " stingray" and "parallel construction" sometime, or even "asset forfeiture" if you feel really brave.
This post was edited on 3/22/16 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:55 pm to NYNolaguy1
This is all grandstanding. I seriously doubt the FBI couldn't hack an encrypted phone with the amount of cyber hackers they employ.
This post was edited on 3/22/16 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 3/22/16 at 2:56 pm to NYNolaguy1
Fear is the tool of choice for bringing a free people under the yoke. Fear is the great equalizer between the unlimited power of the people to act in their own interest, and the pitiful weakness of a would-be despot.
Do not give these people the tools that only fear can buy them.
Do not give these people the tools that only fear can buy them.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 3:00 pm to NYNolaguy1
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If that's the case this was quite the overeach.
It was an extreme overreach:
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The problem for the president is that when it comes to the specific battle going on right now between Apple and the FBI, the law is clear: twenty years ago, Congress passed a statute, the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) that does not allow the government to tell manufacturers how to design or configure a phone or software used by that phone?—?including security software used by that phone.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 3:07 pm to colorchangintiger
*******
This post was edited on 3/22/16 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 3/22/16 at 3:09 pm to SanJoseTigerFan
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personally introduced the FBI with this company in the Silicon Valley to get into the phone...
The Hacking Team in Italy?
Do tell.
This post was edited on 3/22/16 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 3/22/16 at 3:09 pm to SanJoseTigerFan
Dp
This post was edited on 3/22/16 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 3/22/16 at 3:10 pm to NYNolaguy1
The company names starts with a R
This post was edited on 3/22/16 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 3/22/16 at 3:11 pm to SanJoseTigerFan
Very interesting
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