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re: ExxonMobil sues Allen Police Jury over CO2 sequestration permit ordinance

Posted on 7/8/25 at 2:23 pm to
Posted by lsugradman
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 7/8/25 at 2:23 pm to
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The only correlation is forced correlation with temperatures that are estimated from climate models. Zero correlation with raw temperature data.


Its much more than that. And look i do not believe that humans are altering the climate to the extent that the climate change proponents believe. But its fairly clear in the geologic record that high Co2 levels were associated over earths history with warm temperatures. Not sure what forced correlation you are referring to. The earth has been much warmer with much more atmospheric Co2 than there is now but we are clearly in a warming period.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27668 posts
Posted on 7/8/25 at 2:26 pm to
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Co2 sequestration is a scam perpetrated on the American taxpayer by democrats and oil companies. Don’t be a rube…


Me posting an article on a lawsuit makes me a rube?

Interesting…
Posted by Saunson69
Stephen the Pirate
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 7/8/25 at 2:26 pm to
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It’s carbon dioxide. A gas. It won’t stay dissolved in water.


An aquifer doesn't mean literally a lake on surface, they are injecting it likely 5,000+ ft into a deep rock "aquifer". There are too many cap layers of impermeable rock between surface in Allen Parish to 5,000+ ft for it to make its way to the surface.

Same concept as you don't see oil and gas shooting out of the ground everywhere. There are too many impermeable layers of rock for it to make its way all the way up to the surface. Otherwise Shreveport would literally set on fire with how much nat gas is in the Haynesville. But it stays 12,000 to 13,000 ft because there are too many impermeable rock layers to penetrate. That and itself is an impermeable rock layer being nano Darcy permeabiliity shale.
This post was edited on 7/8/25 at 2:29 pm
Posted by Saunson69
Stephen the Pirate
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 7/8/25 at 2:34 pm to
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Carbon sequestration companies are going to get paid to sequester co2 from taxpayer funds from Biden’s 2022 Inflation Reduction Act.There would be no interest in it if it wasn’t for subsidies.



Europe has it worse. US tax credit is $85 per metric ton of CO2 injected. It's a federal tax credit. Europe has to pay $175 per metric ton of CO2 emitted. So if you own a refinery and emit 3 million metric tons of CO2 a year, which for example Marathon Garyville emits around 6 million metric tons of CO2 a year, you'd have to pay $550 mil in penalties. Over half a billion dollars.

This starts in 2029 or 2030 in Europe. US is incentivizing companies, Europe is penalizing them at a bigger rate, 2x.
This post was edited on 7/8/25 at 2:35 pm
Posted by Saunson69
Stephen the Pirate
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 7/8/25 at 3:03 pm to
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If pressurized Co2 leaks and pushes saltwater in reservoirs up into freshwater aquifers,it will destroy water sources for a large part of Louisiana.


Unlikely. There will be infinite more oil and gas in the ground than CO2, and how many times have you ever opened a faucet and oil and gas came out of it? Likely never. You rarely if ever hear about oil and gas encroaching an aquifer, Then why would CO2 which would be trapped in deep earth 5,000+ ft with impermeable top layers like oil and gas does, all of the sudden encroach aquifers, but oil and gas doesn't? It wouldn't.

Saltwater produced with oil gets injected into deep layers, below aquifers, because you don't want it mixing with a fresh water aquifer. This industry has been going on for over a century, and it rarely is a problem that the injected saltwater gets encroaches into freshwater aquifers. CO2 injection is a very similar concept. CO2 injection is a lot more similar to Saltwater injection, even oil and gas, than one may think. The same reservoir issues are at play btwn CO2 injection, Saltwater injection and guide how everything works down there.
This post was edited on 7/8/25 at 3:19 pm
Posted by LSUA 75
Colfax,La.
Member since Jan 2019
4662 posts
Posted on 7/8/25 at 10:28 pm to
“ There are too many cap layers of impermeable rock between surface in Allen Parish to 5,000 ft. for it to make it’s way to the surface”

That’s what they thought in Decatur Illinois.There are many sequestration wells being permitted all over the U.S. but the one in Decatur was the first one to actually have CO2 pumped in it for sequestration.Has the Mt.Simon deep saline formation of porous rock “especially suitable for CO2 storage”.
Wasn’t filled nearly to capacity before it started leaking.The operator didn’t notify the EPA for 3 months.
Quote from article-“there is concern that pumping CO2 into saline reservoirs near subsurface water risks pushing pressurized CO2 and brine toward those resources ,which would pose additional contamination risks”
I think that’s the key to the danger of the CO2-it’s pressurized.

A geologist named Brad LeBlanc (President of Bradford Minerals and SeniorGeoscientist for Sweet Water Land &Oil ) has given 2 presentations in Central Louisiana and I attended both.He says there are several ways CO2 can leak.First of all,no one knows for sure how far the CO2 will spread
and could reach an area of fractured rock that can’t contain the CO2 and it will rise to the surface.
Second,well casings are surrounded by cement but over time the cement will degrade and allow CO2 to escape.
Third there are 1000’s of abandoned /orphan wells which could allow CO2 to escape.
He says it’s not a matter of if the CO2 will escape,it’s a matter of when.


The guy is very impressive,his presentation is over an hour and is accompanied by numerous slides.He’s been in the business for some 47 years.Most importantly no one is paying him to fight this,unlike the LSU PhD’s and scientists that no doubt are being funded by Exxon.They are too sure they have all the answers and there is no risk,it’s settled science.Interstingly but not surprising they never mentioned the CO2 leak in Decatur Illinois.

I called them out on it also.There was a Q&A/comment session afterwards.
I got up and told them I,didn’t trust the “science”they were trying to indoctrinate us with.I didn’t mention Exxon but I said I know scientists can be bought and they will support any position whoever is paying them wants.
To illustrate,I recounted the infamous “Sugar Study “ that LSU Pennington Research Center conducted for Coca-Cola.The result was that obesity was not related to sugar intake,rather it was a lack of exercise.

I think anyone that would listen to Brad LeBanc’s presentation would have serious reservations surrounding carbon capture and sequestration.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27668 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 7:19 am to
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Brad LeBlanc


Didn’t know he was still with Sweetwater. Been ages since last time we spoke.
Posted by RaginRampage
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Member since Feb 2018
271 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 7:43 am to
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his industry has been going on for over a century, and it rarely is a problem that the injected saltwater gets encroaches into freshwater aquifers. CO2 injection is a very similar concept.


The biggest difference I see is that saltwater already exists in these reservoirs. So injecting additional SW into a zone does not introduce any new fluid into the reservoir. Where with CO2, if it is already present, it is in small amounts. So with injecting CO2 into the reservoir, you are changing the chemical composition of the reservoir by increasing the CO2 saturation.
Posted by CharleyLake
Member since Oct 2006
1466 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 8:28 am to
The $75,000 mentioned is indeed laughable. Rumor has it that the IRS is investigating the janitorial service that cleans their corporate office has found over $75,000 in their seat cushions last several years but failed to report it as income.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27668 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 8:44 am to
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The $75,000 mentioned is indeed laughable.


True, but Exxon knows $75k means alot for a rural Louisiana police jury like Allen Parish.
Posted by CharleyLake
Member since Oct 2006
1466 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 3:43 pm to
Very perceptive on your part. I learned today that the Allen Parish Police Jury voted to pull back the ordinance due to significant financial risk including losing the parish's ability to provide essential services.

Sheriff Hebert said that "ExxonMobil could have worked with us to address our local concerns but chose to sue us. They knew that."
Posted by LSUA 75
Colfax,La.
Member since Jan 2019
4662 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 4:18 pm to
The Golden Rule

He who has the gold makes the rules.

Exxon knew very well Allen parish didn’t have the finances to fight them in court.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27668 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 6:58 pm to
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Sheriff Hebert said that "ExxonMobil could have worked with us to address our local concerns but chose to sue us. They knew that."


Like I stated in my OP, Exxon didn’t pay all that money buying Denbury to let a rural parish get in their way of a project to get their ROI.

Personally, I don’t necessarily like the project, or the huge amounts of tax dollars propping them up, but it’s just the reality. Exxon will lawyer up and get their project.
Posted by CharleyLake
Member since Oct 2006
1466 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 7:29 am to
Cajun,

Would you have any insight to the Lake Charles Methanol project ? I think that it was partnered up with the Denbury pipeline infrastructure for carbon sequestration near Sulphur, LA.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20583 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 8:08 am to
Not exactly the same but it is pretty common for H2S to spread outside of the intended zone in produced water disposal wells.

There are many cases in south and west Texas of H2S spreading several thousand ft above the injection zone.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27668 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 8:37 am to
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Would you have any insight to the Lake Charles Methanol project ?


None at all.

My main focus professionally is O&G. I’ve done some petrochem and CCS support in the past, but current projects really aren’t within my work.
Posted by CharleyLake
Member since Oct 2006
1466 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 8:42 am to
I do not believe that there has been any news releases about this project in over a year.

Thanks for the response.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
13983 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 2:24 pm to
What is the pressure at that depth?
This post was edited on 7/10/25 at 2:27 pm
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