re: Explain the incel “movement” to me like I’m an idiot

quote:

---

You're posting about how this movement is going to destroy society over the next 100 years

---

That's not what he posted.

quote:

---

Off the boat ones tend to be too submissive for my liking


Kind of a myth

---

I think that depends a lot on what is meant by "submissive". That's a word with a lot of different definitions within the context of relationships. That can mean shy, quiet, and accommodating. It could mean that they're into BDSM and like being tied up. It could mean they have a very close relationship with their parents and allow their parents to control their lives because their culture shames them if they want to stand up to them. It's kinda a loaded word, and some of those may be true in some context, but others just don't bare out in truth.

quote:

---

Umm..

---

Yes? Your quote supported my statement. Thanks for doing me legwork.

quote:

---

As you can see from his subsequent quote of me from a post I made a few days ago, I did say something close to that, although, I'll leave it to the reader to determine if his characterization of me was genuine or exaggerated.

---

I'm just getting caught up on the thread, and if the characterization is exaggerated, it wasn't my intention. I'm just taken back by how this has been discussed like it's anything more than an insignificant number of sexually frustrated dudes who found each other online. You seem like you're educated on the concept, but your extrapolations seem greatly exaggerated.

Perhaps I'm naïve, but no one in the thread seems to know anyone that would truly fit the definition. The closest we've been is a guy that we assume to be a troll.

nm

quote:

---

Jcorye1

---

You think girls in their friend group are gonna respond well to that lone creep dude coming ti Yoga on tap or tivia at Bulldog?
Its always terrifying to go talk to girls in ublic places. Only place i did well was in class when we were paired up.

sports could work.

quote:

---

slackster

---

lol, there are no young women at either of my places of employment.

quote:

---

jones

---

hard for people like to me to talk to girls at bars. You need mutual friends. i see what goes on at freds or ivars. i need a batter environment.

quote:

---

kingbob

---

Ive seen some interracial relationships at lSU. saw alot in dallas. Was jealous.
yeah, when see relationships in public, i anlyaza the guy. See how he acts. they all look confident, cool, easy going.

Wiki tiger, this could be a huge problem around the word. china, india, the middle east. millions of horny bottled up young men can turn violent.

quote:

---

But are there a large number of men out there with minimum levels of success with women, an amount low enough to impact their happiness and satisfaction in life? Certainly.

---

Sure, but I don't equate those examples to the guys posting on incel 4chan forums.

quote:

---

Have they always existed? Of course. But are their numbers growing? I'd argue yes.

---

I've got no anecdotal evidence to suggest one way or the other. The numbers presented in this thread seem to disagree too.

quote:

---

Is it a problem? Maybe not a huge problem now, but if it continues to grow then it will be.

---

I tend to think it's a problem that will correct itself before it ever threatens society in any real measurable way. Hell, AI may correct it before society has to even address it.

quote:

---

You think girls in their friend group are gonna respond well to that lone creep dude coming ti Yoga on tap or tivia at Bulldog?

---

quote:

---

hard for people like to me to talk to girls at bars. You need mutual friends. i see what goes on at freds or ivars. i need a batter environment.

---

its not creepy sitting at the bar at the bulldog doing trivia by yourself

freds is not a place for a guy like you to meet women

I say read jokes to learn how to be funny in the same way parents encourage kids to play music so they'll be better at math. Memorizing jokes doesn't make you funny any more than practicing scales teaches you algebra. However, you subconsciously pick up things like timing, cadence, and what kinds of observations can be humorous to others. The jokes themselves don't make you funny, but reading lots of them can teach you more about what IS funny. The subdividing and concentration needed to properly read and perform music helps students to be better able to conceptualize numbers and how they fit together, making them perform better in math. Reading jokes can subtly teach you how to pick up observations in your daily life that others might find humorous. No one is funny via canned jokes alone. You have to learn to find the humor in your daily life and the happenings going on around you.

ALL girls like jokes in general. If they don't like your joke, just go into Mel Brooks/Harvey Dangerfield mode and just start firing rapid fire until it is funny. Jokes are contagious and the more jokes in a row, the more funny they each seem to be. Often times, if you just tell one bad joke, it's bad and awkward. You would think TWO bad jokes would be twice as bad, but it's not. In fact, it's HALF as bad!!! If you tell enough bad jokes in a row, they become "so bad it's good". The more jokes you tell, the more hilarious they all become. The more positively people respond to each one. That's why Mel Brooks stacks jokes on top of jokes. Isolate each one and a lot of them are barely worth a chuckle, but put together, once you start laughing at one, it snowballs.

Comedy is about cadence, confidence, and being funny. What you actually say is almost irrelevant. It's all about the delivery. Women laugh at people who ARE funny, not at jokes. It's a very important distinction. BEING funny is very attractive because it shows someone who is fun, humble, yet completely self-assured and confident. A lot of women really respond to that.

This is all behavior that IS learned, believe it or not. I always had a proclivity for telling jokes because I wanted attention. I was the youngest and smallest kid in the family, wasn't particularly good at sports, and I was smart but not at the very top. I told jokes all the time, but because I was also basically on the spectrum, no one found those jokes funny, and I had no idea why. When I was in middle school, the class once started tracking my smart arse comments to see how many I said in class verses how many were actually funny. At the time, I averaged 1/12. That's better than any show involving Amy Schumer, but that's not doing so hot for Class Clowning. I had to learn how to actually be funny to get those numbers up. If I could learn to be somewhat funny, anyone can.

quote:

---

You think girls in their friend group are gonna respond well to that lone creep dude coming ti Yoga on tap or tivia at Bulldog?
Its always terrifying to go talk to girls in ublic places.

---

I mean as long as you start the convo right, no I don't think it's creepy. Literally just mention a shared experience that happened while you were both doing yoga. "Heh, did you see that guy fall?" or "Jesus, I was next to a woman who could make a pretzel out of herself and I can barely touch my toes ha, I guess I need to come more often
How long have you been doing this?"