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re: Explain the incel “movement” to me like I’m an idiot

Posted on 9/2/18 at 8:46 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/2/18 at 8:46 am to
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suspect the incels aren't true believers. They're just trolls who latched on to the alt right because it gets a rise out of people.

naw. if feminism is the cause for our changing culture that leads to the exclusion of their group, they're going to hate feminism

which political identification is attacking feminism in modern America? the alt-right and alt-lite. it's a natural pariring

also, i need to clarify again. blaming feminism for the culture and blaming feminism for why you can't get laid are 2 very different things. most of these guys could get a lot more female attention if they put in real work to improve themselves, but they don't (and likely have given up due to learned helplessness and a reliance on the culture that tells them to do things that decrease their value)

these people who just want to write off incels or label them monsters automatically are terrible. we need to figure out how to build them up and make them better, not create a new layer to banish them further to the fringe.
Posted by stapuffmarshy
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Posted on 9/2/18 at 8:58 am to
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You’re right. Many incels are not white. A lot of them are Indian/Asian



This is correct. I know this is not a America only issue, but is it more prevalent here? Is be interested in knowing if many of the minority incels are born and raised here
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/2/18 at 9:03 am to
i don't know. on one hand, there is a strong cultural and racial element to these populations (especially the chinese and indo-pakistani, specifically), so that probably helps. this kind of echos the "Forced monogamy" referenced in OP, though (think: arranged marriages).

if we're talking about the more Americanized versions, then i think geography matters. i'm sure there are a metric frick ton of asian (and white) incels around Silicon Valley simply due to population/demographics (way more men than women means women get to be picky and pick the best). even the economic strength of the area just makes you the tallest midget, essentially

in the actual countries, China, specifically has a major demographic issue due to their 1 child policy. they have way more young men than young women and tens (hundreds?) of millions of men have no chance at a relationship. this has led to some very, very bad outcomes (especially in more rural areas)
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Posted by stapuffmarshy
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Posted on 9/2/18 at 9:16 am to
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the actual countries, China, specifically has a major demographic issue due to their 1 child policy. they have way more young men than young women and tens (hundreds?) of millions of men have no chance at a relationship. this has led to some very, very bad outcomes (especially in more rural areas)


Yeah I've read some stories that have dealt with that specific issue. Although they didn't label it a incel thing. It was more of this is reality, these men will never have a meaningful relationship and some breakdown mentally. Although it didn't seem that they were congregating on-line but it is China
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
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Posted on 9/2/18 at 9:37 am to
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While third wave feminists can be annoying, I think the typical "Stacy" that incels rant about don't know a single thing about it. Aren't they essentially the type of girl who joins a state school sorority and fricks frat bros and/or jocks?


Sorority girls are all about getting married, so I don’t think that’s accurate.

Also, I don’t think this is about college-aged activity.
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
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Posted on 9/2/18 at 12:25 pm to
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these people who just want to write off incels or label them monsters automatically are terrible. we need to figure out how to build them up and make them better, not create a new layer to banish them further to the fringe.



I propose a fast lane at every squat rack in every gym in America for men who have’t had sex in 12 months or more. Get those T levels up.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/2/18 at 12:48 pm to
exercise is the hands down #1 thing they need, for multiple reasons
Posted by AUCE05
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Posted on 9/2/18 at 12:52 pm to
Natures way of saying you have no physical qualities to breed.
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 9/2/18 at 12:53 pm to
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I went to Reddit to investigate...


Pretty sure CptBengal is a moderator for that sub
Posted by MF Doom
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Posted on 9/2/18 at 1:22 pm to
Incels are too mainstream. Check out Hapas for some real batshit crazy
Posted by volod
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Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 9/2/18 at 1:36 pm to
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natures way of saying you have no physical qualities to breed.





That is a false equivalency. If we were talking about regular animals you'd be right. As humans, we create societies that evolve over time. It has nothing to do with nature. Some of those adaptations require abandoning previously useful attitudes and skills since they are no longer useful in a post agricultural and later post industrial society.

When women had limited work options, more men were valuable. As women gain more rights and work options, people who they would have partnered with a generation ago are "not good enough". The societal goalpost moved, not natural attractiveness.

And have you seen some of the men that women choose. Some are upper class, but many are simply lower class men with no real skills. They just know how to power play women. RedPill points out that left entirely the women, you arent going to get a generation of Einstein or Marines. More likely more liberals, dude bros and thugs (single motherhood has a link to crime rates)

Mind you, even today most of these men are hard working blue collar guys that helped build these modern societies.

Everyone who isn't exclusively or dating isn't a video game player with no social life. That just a Strawman that feminists and conservatives use against people to not adapt or look into the nuance of the situation.

As SFP has stated, the truth is more complex.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 9/2/18 at 1:51 pm to
We are primates. You can see similar social aspects in chimpanzee's etc. To act like we are somehow removed from the animal kingdom is ignorant.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 9/2/18 at 1:58 pm to
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I didn’t know there was a huge subculture of males unable to find a mate, much less an online community where they openly discuss their lack of a sex life. I went to Reddit to investigate...and holy shite. This many disgruntled men is a problem.



There was a guy posting here a while back who was very adamant about not being able to find a girl and he was a virgin late in life. He came off as bitter and a woman hater. I don't remember his name?
Posted by bmy
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Posted on 9/2/18 at 5:33 pm to
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WHOA. we got some projection and strawmen out here



cutting a little close to the bone?
Posted by shutterspeed
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Posted on 9/2/18 at 5:37 pm to
Boo Krewe? I’m still fairly certain he’s a troll/alter.
Posted by Boo Krewe
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 9/4/18 at 5:03 pm to
thanks for the shoutout, but this thread actually pertains to my life alot. But there are alot of stereotypes out there too. not everyone plays video games int heir moms basement.
Posted by Barstools
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Posted on 9/4/18 at 5:30 pm to
I tried to read that reddit link but it hurt my brain.
Posted by ZappBrannigan
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 9/4/18 at 5:34 pm to
China gets weird. During a recent new year some guy was trying get others to buy up every other seat ticket so couples couldn't sit together.

Then theres things like

Single Asian Female
Being racist and petty
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 9/4/18 at 5:44 pm to
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 are primates. You can see similar social aspects in chimpanzee's etc. To act like we are somehow removed from the animal kingdom is ignorant.


I'm not denying we have similarities to primates. But we have expectations and social norms that are far beyond primates.

Also, female primates tend not to want multiple overpriced diamond rings and houses. So in that sense the chimps have it easier.
Posted by ellishughtiger
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Posted on 9/4/18 at 5:47 pm to
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Explain the incel “movement


You’ve come to the right website for an explanation. Although, you may get a better answer from the incels of the poli board.
This post was edited on 9/4/18 at 5:48 pm
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