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re: Experts want to move the mouth of the river upstream.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 10:07 am to NYNolaguy1
Posted on 9/16/15 at 10:07 am to NYNolaguy1
As long as the public own only 10% of tidal marsh, nothing will ever get done. Too many mouth breathing sister-frickers who inherited land, or stand in inherit land, will stand in the way of coastal restoration.
I keep waiting for Biloxi and Delacroix land corps to get spooked into closing off access and effectively shutting down inshore fishing in all of St Bernard parish.
I keep waiting for Biloxi and Delacroix land corps to get spooked into closing off access and effectively shutting down inshore fishing in all of St Bernard parish.
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Posted on 9/16/15 at 10:08 am to Slippy
I support this. It would cut a 2.5 hour drive to venice down to only a little more than an hour for some good fishing!
Posted on 9/16/15 at 10:12 am to Boudreaux35
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If the Corps of Engineers had not built levees and prevented it, the mouth would be much further north than it is now, and the coast west of the river would not be in the predicament it is now.
yea and there would be few if any settlements south of NOLA. hell NOLA wouldnt be much bigger than the quarter/downtown, because of the flooding that the MS would cause. Posted on 9/16/15 at 10:20 am to PoppaD
If the river shifts west you will see national problems. Think of the refineries and businesses on the Mississippi River south of, say, Angola. We're talking billions and billions of dollars of infrastructure that will eventually be useless right there, not to mention the jobs lost. Also, the amount of fluid flow down the Atchafalaya is great, down the Mississippi is essentially equally great. Now, put them in one canal. We're talking about towns such as Simmsport and krotz springs being extremely threatened, and Morgan city being totally knocked off the map.
It's not even remotely just about New Orleans. It's about southern Louisiana entirely.
As it stands right when water reaches the mouth of the Mississippi River it dumps into the gulf, however just a few miles off the mouth right there is the shelf edge, where all this dump that contains land building sediment is going off of. There's no way to stop this. Sediment is being deposited out of the Mississippi in enormous amounts, it's just too bad that it's falling off into extremely deep waters where it poses no good to us.
Had the river shifted like it wanted to in the 60s and 70s we would currently be without Morgan city and many jobs up and down the Mississippi River, but we would be acquiring land in south central Louisiana and building natural barriers for our coastline, not losing them.
This concludes your hydrogeomorphology lesson for the day.
It's not even remotely just about New Orleans. It's about southern Louisiana entirely.
As it stands right when water reaches the mouth of the Mississippi River it dumps into the gulf, however just a few miles off the mouth right there is the shelf edge, where all this dump that contains land building sediment is going off of. There's no way to stop this. Sediment is being deposited out of the Mississippi in enormous amounts, it's just too bad that it's falling off into extremely deep waters where it poses no good to us.
Had the river shifted like it wanted to in the 60s and 70s we would currently be without Morgan city and many jobs up and down the Mississippi River, but we would be acquiring land in south central Louisiana and building natural barriers for our coastline, not losing them.
This concludes your hydrogeomorphology lesson for the day.
This post was edited on 9/16/15 at 10:27 am
Posted on 9/16/15 at 10:32 am to thegreatboudini
bullshite speculation. We don't know what would have happened to industry had we let the Mississippi River move to the west.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 10:34 am to Barf
Then why did the corps spend millions of dollars to keep it where it is?
Face it, some people are smarter than you.
Face it, some people are smarter than you.
This post was edited on 9/16/15 at 10:35 am
Posted on 9/16/15 at 10:37 am to thegreatboudini
Don't be silly. It's impossible to say what jobs or industry would have suffered or prospered from something that never happened.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 10:41 am to Barf
The economic aspect of the river shifting west was ground moving, which is why the corps did what they did. As a scientist I'll never support what they did, but I understand why they did it.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 10:44 am to thegreatboudini
We would have adapted.
It's just an unfair argument to say it would have ended up one way or the other. Hindsight is always 20/20
Do you think they would have dredged the transportation and exploration canals had they known it would later contribute to almost half of the land loss? Because I think they didn't get a shite and likely still don't give a shite.
It's just an unfair argument to say it would have ended up one way or the other. Hindsight is always 20/20
Do you think they would have dredged the transportation and exploration canals had they known it would later contribute to almost half of the land loss? Because I think they didn't get a shite and likely still don't give a shite.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 10:49 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Serious question. How much has sea level risen in the last 100 years? 1/2 a centimeter? 1 meter? How much. From what I can tell it seems like a bad idea and over reaction.
Some might consider it semantics, but sea level rise is not the issue. It is land subsidence.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 10:51 am to Slippy
Ultimately, New Orlreans will frick all that up. They want it all and are a drag on the rest of the nation, who has poured hundreds of billions into their local economy since Katrina.
They will demand to keep the river mismanaged so that it suits them yet they want coastal restoration. They want O&G money but don't want any of the negative consequences of that infrastructure. They want us to pay to rebuild instead of relocating but they don't want higher insurance rates.
They will demand to keep the river mismanaged so that it suits them yet they want coastal restoration. They want O&G money but don't want any of the negative consequences of that infrastructure. They want us to pay to rebuild instead of relocating but they don't want higher insurance rates.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 10:58 am to Barf
To many politicians have camps or fish in Venice....
Posted on 9/16/15 at 10:58 am to saltybulldog
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sea level rise is not the issue. It is land subsidenc
it's everything. Subsidence, seal evel rise, land loss and erosion, lack of additional soil, etc., all coming together in a giant vortex of suck.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 10:59 am to Barf
Of course we would have adapted. It's human nature. However it would have been at the cost of billions of dollars and at a minimum temporary job losses nearly across the board.
You say it's an unfair argument but it's the same argument that you make every day when it comes to breakfast. It's just not as large, obviously. There's pros and cons both ways. The biggest con for the corps decision is that in 150 years when we're all gone, Gonzales Louisiana will be approaching waterfront.
Private exploration companies funding exploration canals didn't give a shite and still don't. I can't think of one environmental topic that they actually care about though, so there's nothing surprising here. The corps on the other hand is suppose to.
You say it's an unfair argument but it's the same argument that you make every day when it comes to breakfast. It's just not as large, obviously. There's pros and cons both ways. The biggest con for the corps decision is that in 150 years when we're all gone, Gonzales Louisiana will be approaching waterfront.
Private exploration companies funding exploration canals didn't give a shite and still don't. I can't think of one environmental topic that they actually care about though, so there's nothing surprising here. The corps on the other hand is suppose to.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 11:03 am to Barf
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We would have adapted.
Who's doing bullshite speculating now?
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It's just an unfair argument to say it would have ended up one way or the other. Hindsight is always 20/20
Funny considering you're doing this exact thing directly above.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 11:05 am to thegreatboudini
I don't see this being done until it is an emergent situation. But I do agree that abandoning the bird's foot is inevitable.
If the levees are knocked down as far north as English Turn, it could rebuild the marshes on both sides of the river pretty quickly. Look at what is happening with the Atchafalaya. You need land to protect civilization from hurricanes. Once virgin land is in place, you keep it there with a continuous source of sediment and with vegetation. This can be done.
If the levees are knocked down as far north as English Turn, it could rebuild the marshes on both sides of the river pretty quickly. Look at what is happening with the Atchafalaya. You need land to protect civilization from hurricanes. Once virgin land is in place, you keep it there with a continuous source of sediment and with vegetation. This can be done.
This post was edited on 9/16/15 at 11:32 am
Posted on 9/16/15 at 11:06 am to Slippy
well this is only if you believe the sea levels are rising. But my Conservative blogger that I follow said it's BS and I trust him more than I trust scientist. $
Posted on 9/16/15 at 11:07 am to GetCocky11
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The causes of Louisiana's coastal erosion don't necessarily have to do with rising seas. A lot of it has to do with the (mis)management of the Mississippi River.
I also think the numerous canals done by the O&G industry didn't help. Just look at all of them on any google maps image.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 11:09 am to LNCHBOX
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Funny considering you're doing this exact thing directly above.
You don't read good, do you?
Posted on 9/16/15 at 11:13 am to Barf
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You don't read good, do you?
You said definitively that we would have adapted. There is no way for you to know that.
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