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re: Ever had a family member in a nursing home?
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:24 am to HubbaBubba
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:24 am to HubbaBubba
Sorry to hear that.
I guess if they thought they were helping her and are otherwise good upstanding people, it could be forgivable. Seems like a quick check online could have prevented the overdose, though?
But if there was a history of problems with them and they just didn't feel like taking her to the hospital, not sure if I could forgive them.
Not surprising that hospice care made things worse.
I guess if they thought they were helping her and are otherwise good upstanding people, it could be forgivable. Seems like a quick check online could have prevented the overdose, though?
But if there was a history of problems with them and they just didn't feel like taking her to the hospital, not sure if I could forgive them.
Not surprising that hospice care made things worse.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:26 am to tygerfan1
Grandma suffered from Alzheimer's for a long long time. For a while she was in a nursing home, family had to sell off all the property but a house and 5 acres to afford it.
My mom sold her business and moved grandma in with her, but the family farm was wiped out.
My mom sold her business and moved grandma in with her, but the family farm was wiped out.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:35 am to RogerTheShrubber
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My mom sold her business and moved grandma in with her, but the family farm was wiped out.
one illness can wipe out two generations of wealth in a hurry.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:50 am to BiggerBear
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There is a five-year look back period that makes it very dangerous to start making asset transfers for elderly patients who may need Medicaid to pay in the future.
Does this mean that if a parent creates a trust/will, etc., their assets remain untouchable as long as they do not move into one of these places until 5 years after it's created?
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:54 am to Mandocello
More or less but there are certain rules you have to follow. Spending some money up front on a lawyer or CPA will save you money in the long run. Be sure they specialize in elder issues. It's a specialized field and a generalist may not be aware of all the minutia.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:12 am to Jim Rockford
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More or less but there are certain rules you have to follow. Spending some money up front on a lawyer or CPA will save you money in the long run. Be sure they specialize in elder issues. It's a specialized field and a generalist may not be aware of all the minutia.
Much appreciated.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:25 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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Nursing homes are death's waiting room and often a place to warehouse the dying to avoid watching a loved one die.
We first learned the difference when the hospital wanted to get my MIL out as she was slowly bleeding out with a DNR, and they really, really didn't want her to die in the hospital and add to their deaths in hospital care numbers for that yaer. They wanted her moved to a nursing home, any nursing home, stat.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 12:07 pm to real turf fan
Wife was a charge nurse in one for a time back in the 90's. She'll tell you that if you didn't pay close attention, some clients would be deprived of basic comforts. But, it's a shame when simple human dignity gets degraded like this. I visited one in 1973 as a freshman in high school to provide some basic treats that we as a 4H club had collected. I was so overwhelmed with the suffering and lackadaisical attitude of the staff, I didn't go back to one for 30 or so years. It just had that smell of urine and poop. Some of those poor people were left at the door with a suitcase and a few belongings and left. No visits, no mail, no phone calls. It was pitiful.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 12:52 pm to NatalbanyTigerFan
my Mom worst 6 months of her life and my life I would advise if you are able please talk your Mom into staying with you guys
Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:01 pm to NatalbanyTigerFan
The only guarantee you have for her quality of life is a Life Care Community
Independent Living. Assisted Living. Skilled Nursing. All on site.
Spent 30 Years Marketing such Community s
Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:43 pm to NatalbanyTigerFan
From numerous relatives that have been in homes in and around the greater Baton Rouge area, none of them are GREAT. There are some better than others, but you are going to pay and arm and a leg whether the quality of the facility is stellar or abysmal. Does your mother have memory issues? Mobility issues? That will determine whether being in "assisted" or "memory-care" aka lockdown is needed. It will cost more for the latter. I highly suggest getting a camera for her room to monitor and record while you are away. The facility will not like it, but it will keep them honest and be crucial to use as evidence for either abuse, neglect, or failure to perform routine tasks. Cosy up to management. I always made friends with the nurses and especially the facility directors--that will come in handy for more things than I can think to mention.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:59 pm to NatalbanyTigerFan
I’m a PT and have worked across all settings of healthcare including SNF, assisted living, home health, rehab and now with case management in acute care.
The number one thing I tell older people as they age is stay active if you want to remain living in your home.
People become sedentary and little by little become weaker and moving into a facility becomes inevitable after they can no longer get around or fall, etc. I have 90+ year old patients thriving at home but they all have made a conscious effort to stay active.
The answer for your grandmother will depend a lot on her mental and physical abilities.
These are pretty much the options when people need care.
1- they can remain home with home health and caregiver support (this could be family members, privately paid caregivers- usually 20+ per hour, or even a PCA that Medicaid provides if your income qualifies)
Hospice care can provide increased caregiver support, supplies, DME etc. but they have to qualify with a terminal illness.
2- Assisted living facility- usually this is a private apartment inside a facility. They provide 3 meals a day and that’s pretty much it. They need to be mobile and mostly take care of themselves. Any additional physical assist is “a la carte”. You pay extra for baths, 2-hr nursing checks, etc. this is all privately funded and can cost anywhere from 3000-6000+ per month.
3- nursing home
There are 2 ways to enter:
1- under SNF level of care meaning you have a “skilled need” usually after hospital stay (IV meds, therapy, wound care). Insurance can pay 20 days at 100%. The goal is for these people to return home after getting “rehab”
2- under long term care. You have to go through the process from home and it can be lengthy. This costs 6000+/mo. depending on where you live. Most rooms are semi-private. But you have 24-hr care. You spend down until you meet Medicaid requirements. If you have significant assets they look back 5 years (so you can’t just put it in someone else’s name). If you have income your check will go to the state to fund Medicaid (any pension, social security, etc). I think you may get to keep 38 per month of it.
I tell people you will find good and bad at every facility. There are some amazing CNAs and there are some terrible ones. The reality is they are paid very low, over-worked and under- appreciated. Also most nurses at nursing homes are LPNs (low level nurses). They keep the costs down to make the highest profit. These are for-profit facilities with administrators getting big bonuses. Tour several and talk to the CNAs- they will be the ones providing day to day care. Visit often and even write a bio about your family member, this helps the staff know them on a more personal level, not just the elderly demented person they are meeting for the first time.
Also cms.gov lists star ratings for the facilities
The number one thing I tell older people as they age is stay active if you want to remain living in your home.
People become sedentary and little by little become weaker and moving into a facility becomes inevitable after they can no longer get around or fall, etc. I have 90+ year old patients thriving at home but they all have made a conscious effort to stay active.
The answer for your grandmother will depend a lot on her mental and physical abilities.
These are pretty much the options when people need care.
1- they can remain home with home health and caregiver support (this could be family members, privately paid caregivers- usually 20+ per hour, or even a PCA that Medicaid provides if your income qualifies)
Hospice care can provide increased caregiver support, supplies, DME etc. but they have to qualify with a terminal illness.
2- Assisted living facility- usually this is a private apartment inside a facility. They provide 3 meals a day and that’s pretty much it. They need to be mobile and mostly take care of themselves. Any additional physical assist is “a la carte”. You pay extra for baths, 2-hr nursing checks, etc. this is all privately funded and can cost anywhere from 3000-6000+ per month.
3- nursing home
There are 2 ways to enter:
1- under SNF level of care meaning you have a “skilled need” usually after hospital stay (IV meds, therapy, wound care). Insurance can pay 20 days at 100%. The goal is for these people to return home after getting “rehab”
2- under long term care. You have to go through the process from home and it can be lengthy. This costs 6000+/mo. depending on where you live. Most rooms are semi-private. But you have 24-hr care. You spend down until you meet Medicaid requirements. If you have significant assets they look back 5 years (so you can’t just put it in someone else’s name). If you have income your check will go to the state to fund Medicaid (any pension, social security, etc). I think you may get to keep 38 per month of it.
I tell people you will find good and bad at every facility. There are some amazing CNAs and there are some terrible ones. The reality is they are paid very low, over-worked and under- appreciated. Also most nurses at nursing homes are LPNs (low level nurses). They keep the costs down to make the highest profit. These are for-profit facilities with administrators getting big bonuses. Tour several and talk to the CNAs- they will be the ones providing day to day care. Visit often and even write a bio about your family member, this helps the staff know them on a more personal level, not just the elderly demented person they are meeting for the first time.
Also cms.gov lists star ratings for the facilities
Posted on 11/5/25 at 2:56 pm to DaleGribblesMower
Typically the number of nurses depends on the number of residents. It’s not just a flat out “2”
Do they have lots of residents? Yes. I’d argue that the lower number of CNAs is almost a bigger issue in some facilities.
Also — where I do consulting (not a doc or NP), there is an NO there 3x per week and every resident is seen at least once a month. More if needed .. at least where I am. And a doctor is there once a week — not quite sure what the regulation is but I know we have one in house every Thursday. And he’s absolutely not a quack. We’re fortunate.
Now … the corporate jackasses in some other state are my biggest problem with where I am.
We do have good nurses, CNAs (again not enough) and a great therapy department (we’ve got a 23 bed snf unit).
We’ve got some decent activities but it could be much improved.
So .. anyone who puts their parent in a facility: ask every question that you have. If you don’t like the answer move up the chain. Call the ombudsman. And if needed call the state. Lastly, Visit your family member on random days and times.
I myself stay where I am for the residents .. I do more than my job and am a familiar face to visit with even if just a little while. But almost 18 years and retirement is being considered.
Do they have lots of residents? Yes. I’d argue that the lower number of CNAs is almost a bigger issue in some facilities.
Also — where I do consulting (not a doc or NP), there is an NO there 3x per week and every resident is seen at least once a month. More if needed .. at least where I am. And a doctor is there once a week — not quite sure what the regulation is but I know we have one in house every Thursday. And he’s absolutely not a quack. We’re fortunate.
Now … the corporate jackasses in some other state are my biggest problem with where I am.
We do have good nurses, CNAs (again not enough) and a great therapy department (we’ve got a 23 bed snf unit).
We’ve got some decent activities but it could be much improved.
So .. anyone who puts their parent in a facility: ask every question that you have. If you don’t like the answer move up the chain. Call the ombudsman. And if needed call the state. Lastly, Visit your family member on random days and times.
I myself stay where I am for the residents .. I do more than my job and am a familiar face to visit with even if just a little while. But almost 18 years and retirement is being considered.
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