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Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:57 pm to upgrayedd
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Ah yes, the "I'm anti war in Ukraine, but we need to be at war in Ukraine" retard opines again
did i say we should be at war? i simply pointed out we tried the whole anti war thing and giving russia what ever it wants and it didnt work?
but please tell me since i am a retard how i was wrong on that.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:00 pm to BugAC
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That's it? That's the big comeback you had?
do i need one?
your point is essentialyl if i dont agree with you on something or frick in my case even if i do but happen to point out the issue it a little more complex......we are all suddenly democrats.
i already said 1000x, i dont want the money to be spent in the first place. i dont get to make that decision.
its also pretty much a fact that the roi on what we are spending in returns for destroying the conventional russian forces is a pretty damn good deal.
its like yall cant seperate emotion and look at things individually.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:02 pm to upgrayedd
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we need this war because if we didn't have it, things would be way worse
i never said this. in fact i have said for months now this war wouldnt and doesnt effect the normal everyday citizen 1 bit if we do not get involved at all.
somply point out that in the grand scheme of the world and geopolitics your way didnt work doesnt mean i wanted to get involved.
same as saying the roi has been good, i dont have to have wanted to get involved to aknowledge that.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:07 pm to lsu777
So principled 
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:10 pm to lsu777
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lsu777
The fact that you think Russia is a bigger threat to the USA than China says a lot about you and none of it is good.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:11 pm to lsu777
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its also pretty much a fact that the roi on what we are spending in returns for destroying the conventional russian forces is a pretty damn good deal.
You and I have a different definition of “good deal” I think
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:13 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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You and I have a different definition of “good deal” I think
so less than 5% of our defense budget, 0 american serviceman
to destroy more than 50% of russias conventional military isnt a good deal?
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:13 pm to lsu777
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do i need one?
Yes, you do. Just posting "u dumb" because you don't like a post, kind of makes you appear to be the unintelligent one.
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your point is essentialyl if i dont agree with you on something or frick in my case even if i do but happen to point out the issue it a little more complex......we are all suddenly democrats.
Actually, my point, as stated, is that funneling money to Ukraine, a conflict that is no business of ours, is a pipeline for corruption that is sent back to the uniparty in DC. And that the geniuses in the Ukraine thread that are so amped to go to war with Russia, are mostly the same leftists that loathe and despise the Bush/Cheney regime because of their pro-war stance.
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its also pretty much a fact that the roi on what we are spending in returns for destroying the conventional russian forces is a pretty damn good deal.
For a nation that is bleeding money, facing a recession, possibly even a depression, and is led by a bunch of kiddie diddlers that have no concept of economic prosperity other than how much tax dollars is laundered back to them so they can then invest it in some lucrative insider trading deals; hemorrhaging billions to a nation that has ZERO chance of defeating Russia is delaying the inevitable. Sure, Russia will lose some of their economic wealth in having to fund their side of the war, but it won't amount to much considering they are backed by China, and their existence is good for China.
So yes, those cheering for the US to keep sending billions we don't have to Ukraine, are often Democrats. I can tell, because it's the same people that changed their facebook profile picture from Black Lives Matter, to "Vaccines save lives", to the pride flag in May, to now "I stand with Ukraine". They all tend to vote the exact same way.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:21 pm to BugAC
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Yes, you do. Just posting "u dumb" because you don't like a post, kind of makes you appear to be the unintelligent one.
if you suddenly beleive that most of the OT is liberal than you are dumb.
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Actually, my point, as stated, is that funneling money to Ukraine, a conflict that is no business of ours
like i said, i agree with this. it was/is a european conflict that should have been handled by the europeans.
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is a pipeline for corruption that is sent back to the uniparty in DC
while i agree corruption is rampant and funnelled back to the uniparty, in this case most of our aide is in the form of military aide and hard equipment. if you want to see the corruption follow where the finicial aide is going.
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And that the geniuses in the Ukraine thread that are so amped to go to war with Russia
we are not at war with russia and not 1 american serviceman has been killed
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Bush/Cheney regime because of their pro-war stance
if you served under bush and cheney you would be jaded too
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For a nation that is bleeding money, facing a recession, possibly even a depression, and is led by a bunch of kiddie diddlers that have no concept of economic prosperity other than how much tax dollars is laundered back to them so they can then invest it in some lucrative insider trading deals
100% agree
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hemorrhaging billions to a nation that has ZERO chance of defeating Russia is delaying the inevitable. Sure, Russia will lose some of their economic wealth in having to fund their side of the war,
this is where you are wrong. they have already essentially defeated russia. russia will not take anymore land in ukraine. I am not sure if they give anymore up, but they wont take anymore.
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China
is nothing but a house of cards about to collapse. hopefully the next president takes a note from the trump playbook and kills them once and for all.
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So yes, those cheering for the US to keep sending billions we don't have to Ukraine, are often Democrats
on twitter yes. in the ot thread...nope. some like tboy but shite i have called him out a couple times for the same shite(thinking everyone in there is liberals)
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I can tell, because it's the same people that changed their facebook profile picture from Black Lives Matter, to "Vaccines save lives", to the pride flag in May, to now "I stand with Ukraine". They all tend to vote the exact same way.
well those guys are frickign douchebags and dumb fricks. my point was that is not the OT thread.
done arguing over it. some of yall have issues seperating things because of emotion and latch onto one little thing and let your imagination run wild. its like the Q shite all over again.
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Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:24 pm to lsu777
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so less than 5% of our defense budget, 0 american serviceman to destroy more than 50% of russias conventional military isnt a good deal?
A good deal would be Europe paying for this war. Because like you said, this war does not the lives of American citizens. At best it’s an interesting geopolitical event that is worthy of watching if you’re into this sort of thing.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:26 pm to upgrayedd
He's reached oweo levels of talking out of both sides of his mouth in here
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:29 pm to lsu777
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if you suddenly beleive that most of the OT is liberal than you are dumb.
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we are not at war with russia and not 1 american serviceman has been killed
I never stated we were. I stated, verbatim, " the geniuses in the Ukraine thread that are so amped to go to war with Russia".
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if you served under bush and cheney you would be jaded too
I'm not debating the virtue of being jaded over bush/cheney. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of being anti-war when Bush was in charge, but itching to get into a war now that Potato head is in charge.
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they have already essentially defeated russia. russia will not take anymore land in ukraine. I am not sure if they give anymore up, but they wont take anymore.
Based on what? If one this can be agreed upon, most news coming out of Ukraine/Russia is propaganda being pushed by the globalists.
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some of yall have issues seperating things because of emotion and latch onto one little thing and let your imagination run wild. its like the Q shite all over again.
I'm pretty sure i separated the Ukraine/Russia conflict into plenty of buckets to make a decent post about the subject.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:31 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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A good deal would be Europe paying for this war. Because like you said, this war does not the lives of American citizens.
This. America has no business in that region. I would say we have no responsibility for what happens there, but funding Ukraine's war efforts puts us elbow deep in that entire shitty situation.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:33 pm to The Egg
This article reads like every article Politico ran during the trump administration.
Unnamed, but super senior officials, are irate over what is happening in Washington and want to warn everybody that things are about to get ugly. But every quote just reads like cya by officials who have failed their constituents for years:
“The fact is, if you look at it soberly, the country that is most profiting from this war is the U.S. because they are selling more gas and at higher prices, and because they are selling more weapons,”
Or, if you look at it soberly, Europe has dismantled nuclear power, shuttered coal production, prohibited fracking and made themselves energy dependent on a once and almost Czar. A recent American president needed about 3 minutes to diagnosis this incoming train wreck.
“it wasn't until Washington announced a $369 billion industrial subsidy scheme to support green industries under the Inflation Reduction Act that Brussels went into full-blown panic mode.
“The Inflation Reduction Act has changed everything," one EU diplomat said. "Is Washington still our ally or not?”
So the article headline is misleading, and this is more about America doing what the EU does and putting up barriers to market entry for foreign products and subsidizing domestic industries. Turns out this article is really about the CHIPS act and the Inflation Reduction Act which are pretty America First-y and the blowback about to happen is more protectionist economic policies by Europe. This will likely lead to more inflation for all which is why I personally think both Trump and Biden are stupid for turning back the clock on free trade.
"The Europeans are discernibly frustrated about the lack of prior information and consultation,"
Seriously was this written in 2018? Am I MAGA now?!
Unnamed, but super senior officials, are irate over what is happening in Washington and want to warn everybody that things are about to get ugly. But every quote just reads like cya by officials who have failed their constituents for years:
“The fact is, if you look at it soberly, the country that is most profiting from this war is the U.S. because they are selling more gas and at higher prices, and because they are selling more weapons,”
Or, if you look at it soberly, Europe has dismantled nuclear power, shuttered coal production, prohibited fracking and made themselves energy dependent on a once and almost Czar. A recent American president needed about 3 minutes to diagnosis this incoming train wreck.
“it wasn't until Washington announced a $369 billion industrial subsidy scheme to support green industries under the Inflation Reduction Act that Brussels went into full-blown panic mode.
“The Inflation Reduction Act has changed everything," one EU diplomat said. "Is Washington still our ally or not?”
So the article headline is misleading, and this is more about America doing what the EU does and putting up barriers to market entry for foreign products and subsidizing domestic industries. Turns out this article is really about the CHIPS act and the Inflation Reduction Act which are pretty America First-y and the blowback about to happen is more protectionist economic policies by Europe. This will likely lead to more inflation for all which is why I personally think both Trump and Biden are stupid for turning back the clock on free trade.
"The Europeans are discernibly frustrated about the lack of prior information and consultation,"
Seriously was this written in 2018? Am I MAGA now?!
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:54 pm to upgrayedd
People downvote in droves when I point out there is no longer any justification for our continued involvement in NATO. Here you go.
And I better never hear any of these easily manipulated dopes who fawn over Zelensky ever utter the words "military-industrial complex".
And I better never hear any of these easily manipulated dopes who fawn over Zelensky ever utter the words "military-industrial complex".
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:57 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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People downvote in droves when I point out there is no longer any justification for our continued involvement in NATO. Here you go.
i wish we would leave, first need to leave UN and kick them out thoughPosted on 11/28/22 at 1:59 pm to Deactived
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He's reached oweo levels of talking out of both sides of his mouth in here
it really is hard for you to seperate things huh?
Posted on 11/28/22 at 2:00 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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People downvote in droves when I point out there is no longer any justification for our continued involvement in NATO. Here you go.
And I better never hear any of these easily manipulated dopes who fawn over Zelensky ever utter the words "military-industrial complex".
Wait until you hear how much money Zelensky is going to demand from the US for rebuilding Ukraine. Hell, we're already paying for their version of social security.
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