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re: Etiquette for turning down job after accepting?
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:24 pm to TH03
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:24 pm to TH03
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TH03
Etiquette for turning down job after accepting? you mean you need a way to back out of your word and frick the new company over?
Or you could look at it like this, if the company could find a way to cut your position before going to work for them and save money or find cheaper labor would they?
Absolutely!
The old business model of loyalty and mutual benefit to both parties is gone, replaced by the fast food myopic world of today.
Take care of yourself and family.
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Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:26 pm to TigerFanInSoCal
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The counter offer is a lot more money, the original offer is a slightly better position with an up and coming company.
How much is "a lot more money?" 10% of base pay? More?
Why not tell the company you got a job offer from how much the counter offer is? Tell them you would love to come to work for them, but there is too big of a gap between their last offer and what your current company is offering you.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:26 pm to Stingray
Sure, that may work. As others have said, more information is needed. Did he seek out this new job? Why? What is the job market like in his area? Does he like the current company? Was he happy a few weeks ago?
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:27 pm to LaFlyer
I somewhat agree, but it really depends on what line of work it is. loyalty and mutual beneficial relationships are still alive and well in certain areas.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:30 pm to TH03
quote:not really. Now that pensions don't really exist, I would always jump ship for the better job/more money
I somewhat agree, but it really depends on what line of work it is. loyalty and mutual beneficial relationships are still alive and well in certain areas.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:30 pm to Tear It Up
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How much is "a lot more money?" 10% of base pay? More?
It would be about 30% more staying with my original company. Problem is, most people I know in that office have told me the money is great but most people aren't happy. I know I might be happier with the other job but damn it's tough to walk away from that kind of money.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:31 pm to TigerFanInSoCal
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I wanted to relocate and the transfer was looking unlikely. I got offered a job with a company that would take me where I wanted to go, and when I put in my notice to my employer they offered me the transfer I wanted plus more money.
Then stay with your current employer. You are getting what you wanted plus more.
The only drawback is that your current employer might now question your "loyalty" to the company. You might want to tell them that a "head hunter" sought you out, you listened to what they had to offer.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:33 pm to HeadyMurphey
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Sure, that may work. As others have said, more information is needed. Did he seek out this new job? Why? What is the job market like in his area? Does he like the current company? Was he happy a few weeks ago?
I answered most of these questions in a post on the 2nd page. I asked my original company for a transfer. When it looked unlikely, I started looking around. Found a job that would relocate me where I wanted, and when I put in notice, my current company offered me the transfer plus more money.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:33 pm to Tear It Up
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You might want to tell them that a "head hunter" sought you out, you listened to what they had to offer.
Well this is exactly what happened.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:34 pm to TigerFanInSoCal
well my vote is go with original job, 30% is a lot.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:36 pm to TigerFanInSoCal
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So I accepted a job last week with another company. I put in 2 weeks notice at my current company and the HR manager called me into his office and made a very compelling counteroffer. Any advice on telling the other company that I'll be backing out of their offer?
93% of people who accept counters leave within a year.
Just go to the new place.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:39 pm to TigerFanInSoCal
Based on what you said, it might be worth it for you to stay. Just know that you practically blackmailed them in to giving you what you want and they will keep an eye on you. I still wouldn't stay. I told my previous employer 20% wouldn't keep me.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:42 pm to TigerFanInSoCal
Never base your decisions solely on money
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:42 pm to TigerFanInSoCal
Dude you should never accept a counter offer they know that your foot was out the door and you're very vulnerable now - shorter leash, first one out if something goes wrong, etc.
I feel so passionately about this. You really need to take the new job.
I feel so passionately about this. You really need to take the new job.
This post was edited on 5/12/14 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:48 pm to TigerFanInSoCal
What about the "total compensation package?"
I worked for my last employer in sales for 7 years, and I made a modest base salary, but pretty hefty commission. My last year with the company I made $30K in base and $90K in commission. During the last three years I was working 6-7 days a week with 60-70 hour weeks. My homelife SUCKED. Company morale sucked. Benefits sucked. It was not a healthy work environment. The only thing that job had going for it was the pay.
My current job I make $80K base plus an average yearly commission of $20K. Some years are better than others, but the overall compensation package is better with my current employer. I have better benefits, and I work on average a 40 hour week.
BUT the main thing is I am happier in my current position and my home life is better. Money isn't everything.....
I worked for my last employer in sales for 7 years, and I made a modest base salary, but pretty hefty commission. My last year with the company I made $30K in base and $90K in commission. During the last three years I was working 6-7 days a week with 60-70 hour weeks. My homelife SUCKED. Company morale sucked. Benefits sucked. It was not a healthy work environment. The only thing that job had going for it was the pay.
My current job I make $80K base plus an average yearly commission of $20K. Some years are better than others, but the overall compensation package is better with my current employer. I have better benefits, and I work on average a 40 hour week.
BUT the main thing is I am happier in my current position and my home life is better. Money isn't everything.....
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:50 pm to TigerFanInSoCal
I just read this. I think you should consider it.
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Nicolai believes there are pros and cons to accepting a counteroffer, but she wouldn’t recommend it either. “If you have tried to resolve issues in the workplace; whether it’s more money, a new title, a better work schedule, or time off, and the situations was not resolved prior to putting in your two weeks’ notice, then the proposed counteroffer is being offered to benefit the employer.” If the employer were sincere, the proposed offer would have been made when you originally approached your boss with your concerns, she adds.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:54 pm to TigerFanInSoCal
You're meeting with an HR manager and not your boss or your boss's boss?
I'd be out if I were you.
I'd be out if I were you.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:59 pm to VetteGuy
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You're meeting with an HR manager and not your boss or your boss's boss?
I'd be out if I were you
Good point- most HR managers are counts. It would be more beneficial if your current boss gave you the counter offer.
Either way, I would make sure I had a written contract guaranteeing an $XXX amount of money for XXX amount of years.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:00 pm to TigerFanInSoCal
I would not stay with your current job nor would I let the new employer know about the counteroffer. Your current job now knows that you are looking to leave (even if you accept their counter) and they will be looking to replace you as cheaply as possible. If you tell the new job about the counter offer, they might think you were just using them as a bargaining chip.
It really depends on the culture of these companies. Will either of them be offended by your using them as a bargaining chip? A lot of companies are totally fine with that and actually expect it. But some companies will get super p*ssed and blackball you.
It really depends on the culture of these companies. Will either of them be offended by your using them as a bargaining chip? A lot of companies are totally fine with that and actually expect it. But some companies will get super p*ssed and blackball you.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:12 pm to Tear It Up
HR: the perpetual thorn in the side of people that actually work for a living.
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