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re: EPA: Fiat Chrysler Used Emissions-Cheating Software in Diesel Rams, Jeeps
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:05 pm to wickowick
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:05 pm to wickowick
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They have none that they can sale, dealers still have 2015 models when the cheat was announced that are sitting on the lots over a year later...
Damn.
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Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:08 pm to slackster
quote:Did he get a notice from VW? Wondering what he's basing his info on.
I'm not sure what the timeline is, but he's supposedly getting back the value of the car when the story broke, which was a month after he purchased it.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:10 pm to The Mick
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Did he get a notice from VW? Wondering what he's basing his info on.
Yes, he has to my knowledge. He's been in touch with the dealership pretty often too.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:11 pm to wickowick
I hope all the manufacturers are doing it. This will go away in about a week. And when the Trump EPA puts CAFE down like a rabid ISIS turd, there's going to be a surge in diesel purchases. The only question is whether or not manufacturers lower prices - they should, because they'll be able to go drop all the added EPA stuff.
There was a diesel powered ambulance in NY that ran out of the mandatory exhaust fluid and it went into idle mode, as mandated by the EPA - while they were transporting someone to the hospital.
The EPA needs to be scaled back by at least 50%. It's a prime example of all the fake climate concern being used to justify more laws, more regulations, and more government control. It's just a sham. And I hope they put the EPA chief in jail for using multiple fake names and email accounts to skirt federal record keeping and FOIA requirements.
There was a diesel powered ambulance in NY that ran out of the mandatory exhaust fluid and it went into idle mode, as mandated by the EPA - while they were transporting someone to the hospital.
The EPA needs to be scaled back by at least 50%. It's a prime example of all the fake climate concern being used to justify more laws, more regulations, and more government control. It's just a sham. And I hope they put the EPA chief in jail for using multiple fake names and email accounts to skirt federal record keeping and FOIA requirements.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:12 pm to member12
Some details would be nice. I'm getting ready to buy a 3/4 ton diesel
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:15 pm to slackster
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I'm not sure what the timeline is, but he's supposedly getting back the value of the car when the story broke
I'm not going to lie, I came out smelling like a rose with the VW deal. Thought I was going to get stuck with a worthless car. They stepped up to the plate and delivered. I'd have probably been happy with just getting a fair trade in value (pre scandal). The small inconvenience of having to purchase another car when not planning to wasn't a huge deal to me. But I am 2 months away from paying off the VW and they are basically paying me ~4k less than what I paid for the car brand new
. I went from saying I'd never own a VW product (VW/Audi/Porsche) to be open to it again. If they make up for their F ups, then I'm okay with it.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:16 pm to member12
Dont even care
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:19 pm to Jcorye1
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I was under the impression emissions devices sap cars of precious MPGs. If that assumption is incorrect, I will admit I'm wrong with my premise.
It depends how fast you drive.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:30 pm to Jcorye1
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I was under the impression emissions devices sap cars of precious MPGs. If that assumption is incorrect, I will admit I'm wrong with my premise.
They do, I was just pointing out that automakers are being hit with Emissions standards and CAFE standards independently.
CAFE forces them make their average fleet MPG higher. Emissions requirements are forcing them to reduce particulate matter. The Emissions requirements definitely make meeting CAFE requirements very hard. They are almost in conflict with each other. Chrysler and VW are getting into trouble for the Emissions, not their MPG.
The end result of these bullshite government policies are $60,000 pickup trucks with aluminum construction, cylinder deactivation, 10 speed transmissions, plastic aerodynamic cladding, turbocharged small displacement engines, start/stop, and a bunch of other shite that people don't really want or need that add significant cost to the vehicle.
For a while, the CAFE requirements were different for trucks than for cars. Automakers came up with compact car-based vehicles with flat floors that were somehow considered "trucks" by the government. Chrysler PT Cruiser, Scion Xb, and Chevrolet HHR are examples of that. They sold those cars so that they can also sell low MPG pickups and SUVs. They've since changed the requirements and those ugly cars went away. Trucks then became more expensive, and they started making Volts and plug in-hybrids to increase their corporate average fuel economy.
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:36 pm to member12
Is it the fiat diesel, the Cummins diesel, or all their diesels?
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:37 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Is it the fiat diesel, the Cummins diesel, or all their diesels?
It's the VM diesel sold in the Grand Cherokee and half ton Ram pickup. That's one of the world's largest diesel engine companies.
I think they were at least partially owned by Fiat, General Motors, Detroit Diesel and the Penske corporation at some point.
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:38 pm to member12
This Volkswagen thing has opened up a can of worms.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:39 pm to member12
Good. frick the environment.
It's not like anyone buys enough of their shite to make a dent in the ozone anyways
It's not like anyone buys enough of their shite to make a dent in the ozone anyways
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:41 pm to slackster
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Yes, he has to my knowledge. He's been in touch with the dealership pretty often too.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:42 pm to member12
That's what I figured.
At some point EPA and CAFE need to be reigned in.
At some point EPA and CAFE need to be reigned in.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:42 pm to blue_morrison
quote:FIFY
This Volkswagen thing has opened up an incredible money source for the government.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:50 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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At some point EPA and CAFE need to be reigned in.
Very much so. The question is how to do that in a permanent way without screwing up our air quality too much.
I think there is a good justification for common standards across Europe and North America, where most cars are sold. Right now I think our standards for diesel engines are too strict. It makes them very expensive and less efficient.
I think CAFE could be replaced by a fuel tax. Burn more fuel, pay more tax - so consumers would find more value in fuel efficient cars. The Automakers would not have to produce them or add unwanted features if they didn't think they were necessary. This would discourage, but not eliminate creative brands like Hummer - whose euthanization was very politically motivated. It would bring down the cost of pickups and real SUVs that many businesses need. They government also gets to rape the taxpayers which is all they want to do anyways.
Emissions is another issue. Maybe instead of applying standards across the board, provide "credits" for some vehicles if the automaker also sells "zero emission" cars. Meaning VW can sell their diesel if they also sell electric cars. Just brainstorming here.
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:02 pm to The Mick
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No way they buy back all those vehicles
They are either buying them back or fixing them to comply with emission standards plus paying out a settlement. We owe roughly $3,000 on my wife's car and they're going to give us right around $18,500 for the buy back.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:04 pm to jeff5891
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Damn, Volkswagen just got caught too
Most if not all are doing it.
With all the restrictive emissions on diesels in particular, in order to get the power numbers they want the MPG is insane.
In order to keep MPG down they are trying to cheat.
I bought a 2007 Ram with the Cummins 6.7l diesel, it was the first with the DpF filter for emissions.
Brand new it was barely getting 10 to 12 MPG after removing the emissions BS I now get 16-20 MPG depending on driving conditions and load.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:21 pm to TigerDat
Crazy how almost all technology gets cheaper as time goes on, yet cars have gotten more expensive and made even shittier.
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