re: EPA: Fiat Chrysler Used Emissions-Cheating Software in Diesel Rams, Jeeps

Posted by crispyUGA

Upstate SC

Member since Feb 2011

16272 posts

Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:34 pm to The Mick

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What year/model, if you don't mind?

2011 Jetta Sportwagen TDI. She has about 95k miles on it. Basically, with this buy-back, the car has depreciated only a few thousand dollars since we bought it used a few years back.

Posted by bmy

Nashville

Member since Oct 2007

48203 posts

Posted on 1/12/17 at 2:16 pm to member12

Drop.
The.
Hammer.

Posted by bmy

Nashville

Member since Oct 2007

48203 posts

Posted on 1/12/17 at 2:18 pm to UF

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The EPA needs to be scaled back by at least 50%. It's a prime example of all the fake climate concern being used to justify more laws, more regulations, and more government control. It's just a sham.

EPA needs to be doubled in size/funding tbh..If you want to be able to hunt or fish 20 years from now

This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 2:19 pm

Posted by The Mick

Member since Oct 2010

45189 posts

Posted on 1/12/17 at 2:31 pm to crispyUGA

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2011 Jetta Sportwagen TDI. She has about 95k miles on it. Basically, with this buy-back, the car has depreciated only a few thousand dollars since we bought it used a few years back.

Incredible. Congrats.

Posted by SlowFlowPro

With populists, expect populism

Member since Jan 2004

481186 posts

Posted on 1/12/17 at 2:45 pm to dgnx6

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yet cars have gotten more expensive and made even shittier.

shittier? what?

Posted by SlowFlowPro

With populists, expect populism

Member since Jan 2004

481186 posts

Posted on 1/12/17 at 2:46 pm to bmy

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EPA needs to be doubled in size/funding tbh..If you want to be able to hunt or fish 20 years from now

link?

Posted by Kino74

Denham springs

Member since Nov 2013

5360 posts

Posted on 1/12/17 at 2:51 pm to baldona

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Here's what I don't understand, are diesels not cleaner than gas already? I

I can tell you from my time working in a petroleum lab that diesel is not cleaner than gas. Not even close. When I had to run a full slate of tests on diesel, I had to run an ash test which is used to determine the level of ashes it would produce after being burned. That's why diesel engines have a whole lot more filters than gas engines.

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I'm ignorant on this but they prefer diesels in Europe because my understanding is they are cleaner?

The reason is how pollution is counted. Diesel offers improved mileage and therefore less CO2 emissions which they count as "clean." European countries tax the hell out out engines by size and mileage not mention taxing gas to ridiculous levels. On the other hand diesel produces a lot more NOx which is actually worse than CO2, a plant food.