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re: EPA- today Glyphosate (Roundup), Reaffirms No Risk to Public Health
Posted on 4/30/19 at 11:14 pm to East Coast Band
Posted on 4/30/19 at 11:14 pm to East Coast Band
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I don't have proof, but it's certainly a coincidence that a chemical that SOME feel it causes cancer and I know someone first hand who handled excessive amounts of it also died of cancer, I feel OK in saying that the RoundUp just might be the case. He didn't drink or smoke, so you can rule that out.
I think I have a stronger case of that it could have been due to Roundup, citing examples used in the class action suit against Monsanto, than you can tell me his cancer was NOT a cause of it.
Look, I'm not one to always say that a certain chemical will always cause something or other, I'm really just saying that I wouldn't just feel honky dory about something, just because the EPA says it is no risk. I'm sorry, but there is just too much money to be thrown around by these chemical companies and they don't want their prized product to be labeled a carcinogen.
I'm not saying it is or it isn't a carcinogen. I do believe in the "I always see yellow cars" effect. It means that it doesn't mean there is any irregularity to the occurrence but because it's in your head you notice it more often.
I believe because he passed much sooner than anyone should from a disease that doesn't normally effect someone so young. Couple that with the fact there are several lawsuits against Bayer (formerly Monsanto) related to cancer caused by their product and your friend happened to use the product could mean you are short sighted.
My entire mom's side of the family used roundup as part of being farmer's in Louisiana. My grandfather passed at 92 but not due to cancer. The only one that has died of cancer was my aunt who worked at Dow for 30 years.
If Roundup is a carcinogen, well I'm glad I will be off this job site before the new equipment turns on and starts producing more.
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Posted on 5/1/19 at 12:44 am to East Coast Band
The burden of proof is on you.
Don't get it twisted.
Don't get it twisted.
Posted on 5/1/19 at 3:18 am to I B Freeman
I'm losing track now. Do we, or do we not trust the EPA now?
Posted on 5/1/19 at 8:16 am to Lugnut
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I swear if y’all frick this up!!!!!
What the hell am I gonna kill stuff with
High concentrate vinegar(>20%) works just as well. Unfortunately, it's expensive as hell. Part of that is because of low sales because of products like like glyphosate.
Can anybody really argue that we would be better off if we just got away from using products like glyphosate? I I can't say for certain if it's safe or not and neither can you. And in the era of lobbyists, fake news, regulatory capture and corporate cronyism, I'm not sure we'll ever really know if any of the products we use are safe.
This post was edited on 5/1/19 at 8:26 am
Posted on 5/1/19 at 8:20 am to nola000
quote:Corn and soybeans wouldn’t be nearly as plentiful at their current cost
Can anybody really argue that we would be better off if we just got away from using products like like glyphosate?
Posted on 5/1/19 at 8:25 am to jimbeam
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Corn and soybeans wouldn’t be nearly as plentiful at their current cost
Agree. But that's not necessarily a good thing. High fructose corn syrup has found its way into everything and that shite is terrible for you. Tons of sugar in general is terrible for you. High fructose corn syrup is sugar on steroids.
Also, government subsidies are big part of that cost savings.
Posted on 5/1/19 at 8:29 am to TheAnvil
Last I checked, 40% of University Research is funded by corporate dollars.
Regulatory capture.
I guess sheep sleep easier.
Regulatory capture.
I guess sheep sleep easier.
Posted on 5/1/19 at 8:32 am to East Coast Band
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I don't have proof, but it's certainly a coincidence that a chemical that SOME feel it causes cancer and I know someone first hand who handled excessive amounts of it also died of cancer, I feel OK in saying that the RoundUp just might be the case.
There are people under 30 who die of cancer everyday in this country. The fact your friend was the RoundUp guy is almost certainly a coincidence.
Posted on 5/1/19 at 8:39 am to I B Freeman
Looks like a few "campaign donations "were recently made. Good thing we drained the swamp right fellas.
Posted on 5/1/19 at 8:42 am to I B Freeman
I just operate under the philosophy that any chemical, especially those used to kill living things, is probably not good for me to have on my skin, breathe in, etc for prolonged periods of time.
Pretty simple.
Pretty simple.
Posted on 5/1/19 at 8:42 am to nola000
If it caused cancer everyone would have it
Posted on 5/1/19 at 8:42 am to Bigbee Hills
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Don't get it twisted.
When did this get to be such a popular saying? I feel like it started in the black community and now is said by white folks trying too hard to be cool. I know it wasn't said 10 years ago so it's definitely a recent trend.
Don't get it twisted, I'm not saying you're trying to sound black, more so saying you're trying to sound cool...Did I do that right?
Posted on 5/1/19 at 9:08 am to supadave3
No...you blockheaded imbecile, you didn't.
You did not provide any proof.
For f*cks sake man, did you sniff paint as a kid?
And we've been saying "don't get it twisted" since, like, '92.
Get off my lawn, old man.
You did not provide any proof.
For f*cks sake man, did you sniff paint as a kid?
And we've been saying "don't get it twisted" since, like, '92.
Get off my lawn, old man.
Posted on 5/1/19 at 9:14 am to FightinTiga
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If it caused cancer everyone would have it
they've had all of this time to work the kinks out since Agent Orange days, I'm sure it's fine
Posted on 5/1/19 at 9:15 am to Bigbee Hills
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ou did not provide any proof.
What kind of proof can I provide?
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For f*cks sake man, did you sniff paint as a kid?
Not paint, but did partake in freon and scotch guard. I just feel like I should be honest.
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And we've been saying "don't get it twisted" since, like, '92.
No way, I don't believe that. Please provide proof, since you requested the same from me.
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Get off my lawn, old man.
I am, in fact, older than most on here. But there are no facts that I am now, or have ever been, on your lawn.
Posted on 5/1/19 at 9:20 am to lsu1919
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I just operate under the philosophy that any chemical, especially those used to kill living things, is probably not good for me to have on my skin, breathe in, etc for prolonged periods of time.
Pretty simple.
Not a fan of penicillin?
ETA: every single thing is made up of chemicals. Water, air, grass, meat, etc
This post was edited on 5/1/19 at 9:30 am
Posted on 5/1/19 at 9:22 am to supadave3
Any chemical can give you cancer if you misuse it or have too much exposure.
Posted on 5/1/19 at 9:22 am to I B Freeman
I put it on my eggs.
Posted on 5/1/19 at 9:30 am to lsu1919
You're on the right track, but with insecticides, for the most part.
The reason insecticides are almost always a more serious matter is because they destroy the physiology of an animal, albeit an insect, but an animal nonetheless. A plant's physiology is much different than an animals, obviously, and so the concept is not the same, but it kind of is. I smell what you're stepping in.
I will say this: Any time I don't have to handle pesticides of any kind, whether glyphosate or roach killer, is a good time. Even when I'm using roundup I wear PPE's because just like dog chit, I don't like getting the stuff on me or in me. I'm not ever going to say flat-out that it doesn't cause harm at the genetic level, but the science shows that it doesn't, for now.
I know literally hundreds of guys who've all but been wallowing in the stuff for 20 years who are as healthy as can be. Is that anecdotal evidence? Sure it is, but it's a different kind of anecdotal evidence, and it's from one hell of a sample pool too.
Is it enough to make me disregard getting the stuff on me and in me? You bet your sweet arse it ain't.
The stuff we'd better be concerned with is often the restricted use chemicals (and non-restricted) that they use on yall's beloved courses, and in the massive quantities that they do. It's chump change to get a pesticide technician/applicators permit to work up under a licensed guy, and there's no way it's all being put out perfectly to label specs. The stuff sprayed on right of ways is a necessity to keep your power on or get it going when crews gotta access lines to fix them, but there's alot of chit being put out there too. We won't even discuss bare ground 3 year "burn down" areas and the chit that's applied there. The stuff that any homeowner can go to lowes and buy themselves for their lawns, or at local county farm supply for their termite problems, that's the stuff that's incredibly misused and applied incorrectly- by far. That's the stuff that runs off into the water system, and the stuff that is far less studied than glyphosate.
All I'm saying is this: There might be a silver bullet, but glyphosate ain't it boys. It ain't.
The reason insecticides are almost always a more serious matter is because they destroy the physiology of an animal, albeit an insect, but an animal nonetheless. A plant's physiology is much different than an animals, obviously, and so the concept is not the same, but it kind of is. I smell what you're stepping in.
I will say this: Any time I don't have to handle pesticides of any kind, whether glyphosate or roach killer, is a good time. Even when I'm using roundup I wear PPE's because just like dog chit, I don't like getting the stuff on me or in me. I'm not ever going to say flat-out that it doesn't cause harm at the genetic level, but the science shows that it doesn't, for now.
I know literally hundreds of guys who've all but been wallowing in the stuff for 20 years who are as healthy as can be. Is that anecdotal evidence? Sure it is, but it's a different kind of anecdotal evidence, and it's from one hell of a sample pool too.
Is it enough to make me disregard getting the stuff on me and in me? You bet your sweet arse it ain't.
The stuff we'd better be concerned with is often the restricted use chemicals (and non-restricted) that they use on yall's beloved courses, and in the massive quantities that they do. It's chump change to get a pesticide technician/applicators permit to work up under a licensed guy, and there's no way it's all being put out perfectly to label specs. The stuff sprayed on right of ways is a necessity to keep your power on or get it going when crews gotta access lines to fix them, but there's alot of chit being put out there too. We won't even discuss bare ground 3 year "burn down" areas and the chit that's applied there. The stuff that any homeowner can go to lowes and buy themselves for their lawns, or at local county farm supply for their termite problems, that's the stuff that's incredibly misused and applied incorrectly- by far. That's the stuff that runs off into the water system, and the stuff that is far less studied than glyphosate.
All I'm saying is this: There might be a silver bullet, but glyphosate ain't it boys. It ain't.
Posted on 5/1/19 at 9:31 am to supadave3
I like your reply, and I will digress. 
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