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re: Emotional Support Animal is not Service Animal

Posted on 7/8/14 at 3:22 pm to
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 3:22 pm to
K. Sounded like you guys were ripping any guy for needing a dog to cope
Posted by Wooly
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 3:24 pm to
I am considering registering my dog as a ESA just so that when a hurricane comes I can take it to a hotel without it being a problem.... I would never try to pull some shite to get my dog to be able to come in to the grocery store with me though... thats some BS.

Posted by drunkenpunkin
Louisiana
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 3:27 pm to
Not at all. I love my dogs, too. They are a huge comfort sometimes. But, this shite just really touches a nerve with me. My son needs a lot of things to be able to make it through a day. And going forward, he will need more. But, we are always careful not to make his life TOO easy because we don't want him to be dependent on things before he has to be. People labeling themselves as disabled because they have anxiety or emotional stress or some other BS reason just pisses me off. There are people with real conditions in this world that cause real disabilities. Being a pussy isn't one of them. (Sorry. I never use that word. But it fits).
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 3:28 pm to
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I am considering registering my dog as a ESA just so that when a hurricane comes I can take it to a hotel without it being a problem.

Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 3:31 pm to
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People labeling themselves as disabled because they have anxiety or emotional stress or some other BS reason just pisses me off. There are people with real conditions in this world that cause real disabilities. Being a pussy isn't one of them. (Sorry. I never use that word. But it fits).


I don't label myself disabled, but you can kindly go frick yourself if you think Social Anxiety is just being a pussy.
Posted by drunkenpunkin
Louisiana
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 3:33 pm to
I didn't say that. I said taking a dog everywhere with you because you have social anxiety is being a pussy.

ETA: My SO has social anxiety. It's a real thing. But as a disability? No. Not unless you're agoraphobic or something severe. Just being nervous or anxious is not a disability. It is a condition, but a very treatable one.
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 3:36 pm
Posted by Mulat
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 3:33 pm to
In doing treatment for PTSD I used dogs routinely. Some veterans are unable to converse in a way others maybe able too. Having a dog available for these men to be with during treatment, Individual and Group Therapy was helpful. This approach was an avenue to treatment that was unique and helpful.

Of course there are veterans that game the system, just like their are Cops who drink and drive, child care providers who are pedophiles, taxi drivers that speed, should I go on .... If you are looking for perfection in everything I think you will be disappointed. The issue is whether animals are helpful to certain legitimate psychiatric disorders, the answer is clearly yes.
Posted by Wooly
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 3:35 pm to
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because they have anxiety or emotional stress or some other BS reason just pisses me off. There are people with real conditions in this world that cause real disabilities. Being a pussy isn't one of them. (Sorry. I never use that word. But it fits).


are you saying anxiety isnt a disorder? and that it is made up? because people are pussies?
Posted by Negative Nomad
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 3:35 pm to
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This post was edited on 12/27/14 at 2:13 am
Posted by brass2mouth
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 3:39 pm to
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That's cool, they can have the animal. Still not covered by ADA and is at the discretion of the business owner.


While you would be right in the fat lady with a yapping dog scenario, you'd be wrong in the vet with a PTS scenario.

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Service animals are defined as dogs that are individually trained to do work or perform tasks for people with disabilities. 

Examples of such work or tasks include guiding people who are blind, alerting people who are deaf, pulling a wheelchair, alerting and protecting a person who is having a seizure, reminding a person with mental illness to take prescribed medications, calming a person with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) during an anxiety attack, or performing other duties. Service animals are working animals, not pets. The work or task a dog has been trained to provide must be directly related to the person’s disability.

Dogs whose sole function is to provide comfort or emotional support do not qualify as service animals under the ADA.


Posted by Wooly
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 3:39 pm to
i dont think you know what you are talking about and you sound extremely ignorant.
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 3:39 pm to
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Some veterans are unable to converse in a way others maybe able too

just asking your opinion, not judging, do you think some of these veterans were damaged goods before they ever put a combat boot on, and their condition has been exasperated by their wartime experiences, or maybe not so much, but the war makes the diagnosis more convenient?
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 3:40 pm to
Troll? Or just woefully stupid?
Posted by drunkenpunkin
Louisiana
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 3:43 pm to
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are you saying anxiety isnt a disorder? and that it is made up? because people are pussies?


No. I have severe anxiety. I take medicine and go to a doctor. But I am not disabled. Anxiety is treatable and some people can overcome it. A disability is something that by its very nature cannot be overcome, be it short term or lifelong.
Posted by Wooly
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 3:45 pm to
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No. I have severe anxiety. I take medicine and go to a doctor. But I am not disabled. Anxiety is treatable and some people can overcome it. A disability is something that by its very nature cannot be overcome, be it short term or lifelong.


agreed 100%, just clearing things up
Posted by drunkenpunkin
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 3:47 pm to
Definitely not attacking people with anxiety, Wooly. I'd be attacking myself. But I don't equate my anxiety to what someone like my son has to go through. And people that do are the ones that piss me off.
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 3:49 pm
Posted by tketaco
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Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 3:49 pm to
Registered as Psychiatric Service animals.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 4:00 pm to
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Well those veterans suffering from PTSD really do need those animals.




They don't need them 24/7.
Posted by Mulat
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 4:02 pm to
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just asking your opinion, not judging, do you think some of these veterans were damaged goods before they ever put a combat boot on, and their condition has been exasperated by their wartime experiences, or maybe not so much, but the war makes the diagnosis more convenient?





Here is the way disability regulations read in the VA. Whether or not a veteran had a condition prior to active duty, if active duty service has caused a disability or Aggravated a disability that is already acknowledged then the veteran has the right to treatment and perhaps financial compensation.

Each military branch determines whether an individual meets their criteria for admission to their service. It is up to each branch to determine whether an individual is a good candidate for service prior to admission.

Now do I think these men and women were damaged goods prior to admission, for the large majority absolutely not. However there are those who have history's of difficult upbringings. Some of these individuals are more a risk for psychiatric issues as compared to the general public. Sometimes these folks are coping just fine but under certain circumstances, not all circumstances, they are more vulnerable to anxiety disorders, such as PTSD. However this group of individuals is a small percentage or the overall population that suffers from PTSD.

If you review the military psychiatric history you will find the numbers of psychiatric cases from war time service has been consistent since they have been keeping such records, approximately 22% of all combat veterans, since WWI. During the Korean War they were discharging men for psychiatric conditions faster than they were able to draft them, true story.

What has changed is a clearer understanding of how the disorder develops, the course of the illness untreated and the long recovery process when someone enters treatment.

When Railroads were first built, the trains fell off the tracks, people were said to have Railway Hysteria.

During the Civil War it was called Soldier's Heart

WWI - called Shell Shock because at that time they thought the concussion of the bombs caused brain cell damaged and this caused the condition. Of course now we know it is Traumatic Brain Injury - TBI

WWII - it was called War Neurois

Korean War - Called Combat Exhaustion

Vietnam - It was finally called PTSD

Veterans have been ridiculed and misdiagnosed for decades, treated in horrible ways - Lobotomy's, Electro Shock, heavy doses of Thorazine and other debilitating medications. Until recent history, since 1979 has the medical profession finally gotten a handle on a disorder that has been occurring since man first raised a club.
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 4:02 pm to
How do you know what they need?
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