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re: Emergency room doctors beg for help treating children with mental health illnesses
Posted on 8/19/23 at 2:06 pm to Klark Kent
Posted on 8/19/23 at 2:06 pm to Klark Kent
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think of how many mental hospitals we couldn’t built with that Ukraine money.
Mental hospitals weren't going to be built regardless. The Ukraine spending stuff has broken your brain.
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Posted on 8/19/23 at 2:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Those calling for institutions to return need to think hard about that one. Its basically prison.
How much time have you spent in inpatient psychiatric facilities?
Posted on 8/19/23 at 2:07 pm to StringedInstruments
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So it’s impacted my son as well. His neighborhood social life is spent predominantly in front of screens with his friends. It’s weird.
Are the kids all within biking distance? If so, you can try to organize a spot for them to all meet up outside. The truth is, though, that a lot of parents simply won’t let their kids out to play even in very safe neighborhoods. I’ve had limited success getting parents to think about the risks associated with constantly supervising their children. Most parents don’t think in that way, and it takes a real shift in mindset. If they know exactly what their kid is doing at all times, they are able to check the “safety box” in their heads. No consideration is given to the opportunity cost. This guy’s website is full of good research on that topic. LINK
I do find that playing baseball gives my kids opportunities to roam and engage in self directed play. Since the siblings of the players are always dragged along to the games, they will go find other kids at the ball park to play. Honestly, it’s probably the only time that my kids regularly engage in free play.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 2:11 pm to crazy4lsu
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How much time have you spent in inpatient psychiatric facilities?
None
But I know people who were in those facilities in the 60s and 70s and it was prison.
This post was edited on 8/19/23 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 8/19/23 at 2:12 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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None.
But I know people who were in those facilities in the 60s and 70s and it was prison.
What does that have to do with modern day inpatient psychiatric facilities?
Posted on 8/19/23 at 2:14 pm to RLDSC FAN
Putting them in front of a screen for 10-12 hours a day will do that. Sadly parents use these devices to shut their kids up ,because they don't want to raise them.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 2:15 pm to crazy4lsu
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What does that have to do with modern day inpatient psychiatric facilities?
Do you want to be committed? Not allowed to leave. Families committing people for nefarious reasons like we used to do?
I sure as frick do not.
This post was edited on 8/19/23 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 8/19/23 at 2:22 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Do you want to be committed? Not allowed to leave.
But this isn't what most inpatient psychiatric facilities are. They are facilities where patients can be discharged once they are stable. Those are the facilities that are needed. There is also a need for hospitals to care for those who cannot survive alone or with the aid of family and friends. In my state, I think there might be only a few thousand beds in those facilities, despite massive population growth.
Since the 1950's, both types of facilities have closed in great numbers, and last I looked, there were half-a-million less psychiatric beds in the US now than there were in the 1950's.
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Families committing people for nefarious reasons like we used to do?
Well, it isn't as though these patients aren't examined. It might happen, but in inpatient psychiatric facilities, in my own experience, the interest is in discharging patients if there is no threat to themselves and they are appropriately stable.
This post was edited on 8/19/23 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 8/19/23 at 2:25 pm to crazy4lsu
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But this isn't what most inpatient psychiatric facilities are.
If we revert to putting people in facilities like we used to, it will be.
They were a travesty which is why people preferred mainstreaming.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 2:28 pm to crazy4lsu
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Mental hospitals weren't going to be built regardless. The Ukraine spending stuff has broken your brain.
ahh, so we’ll just sweep that couple billion under the rug. got it. thanks for the input
Posted on 8/19/23 at 2:32 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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If we revert to putting people in facilities like we used to, it will be.
What? You are talking out of your arse man.
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They were a travesty which is why people preferred mainstreaming.
The travesty is to individualize a group of chronic conditions and then insist there are services for these people when those services are difficult to find. I volunteer with several mental health groups and there is both a diffusion of services as well as a very opaque process for finding the right services, especially in the cases of young people who have received new diagnoses in late adolescence. There is even a new genre of companies which seek to take advantage of this idiotic system to help organize care for families that can afford it, which I find abhorrent.
You are talking out of your arse again and it'd be best for you to read what I wrote and understand that your experiences aren't really relevant to what is going on at this very moment.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 2:36 pm to Klark Kent
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ahh, so we’ll just sweep that couple billion under the rug. got it. thanks for the input
Again, you numbnuts, it isn't an either/or scenario. There was never a choice for building mental hospitals and you would never support such an effort regardless. Framing as though that choice was a possibility is extremely dishonest, but you knew that. You just want to use mental health services to make a comment on Ukraine spending, but you actually don't really care about mental health spending. Maybe one day you'll grow up and stop using the 'false dilemma' fallacy as a rhetorical strategy.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 2:46 pm to crazy4lsu
you’re kind of an a-hole, no wonder this thread died.
this situation really angers you. that’s good to know. good luck with the volunteering or whatever.
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but you actually don't really care about mental health spending. Maybe one day you'll grow up and stop using the 'false dilemma' fallacy as a rhetorical strategy.
this situation really angers you. that’s good to know. good luck with the volunteering or whatever.
This post was edited on 8/19/23 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 8/19/23 at 2:56 pm to crazy4lsu
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What? You are talking out of your arse man.
You're living up yours. The ability to Incarcerate
wide swaths of innocent humanity to get them.out of our sight is reprehensible.
Our systems are geared for managers, not patients.
This post was edited on 8/19/23 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 8/19/23 at 3:03 pm to Klark Kent
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think of how many mental hospitals we couldn’t built with that Ukraine money.
Bingo. And that’s just recent wasteful spending. More money pushed into mental healthcare(for actual care AND education for the public) and properly spent and we would see a lot of what the country deals with calm down. It may take a generation to start seeing big results but you have to start somewhere.
I think we’re on the precipice of corporations truly understanding the value of identifying and hiring neurodivergent candidates and training others to understand and manage them. If that happens, then the politicians will get the push we need.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 3:04 pm to Klark Kent
First, being an a-hole is the best way of dealing with dishonest chuds like you. You were the one who presented an extremely dishonest 'false dilemma' because you are so cucked politically you can't understand that not every issue is directly related to your perceived societal grievance. Instead of any introspection about whether you should employ a fallacious argument to further your point, your first instinct is to call me an a-hole. I might be one, but you are definitely a dumb bitch who shouldn't talk about things outside your pay grade.
Secondly, I've been volunteering with mental health organizations for 20 years and would have pursued psychiatry if not for falling in love with another field of medicine. I care about the issue enough to spend significant amounts of my free time volunteering, leading support groups, etc. Everyone should be angry about the state of mental health in this country. That you aren't is probably another reason you should shut the frick up.
Secondly, I've been volunteering with mental health organizations for 20 years and would have pursued psychiatry if not for falling in love with another field of medicine. I care about the issue enough to spend significant amounts of my free time volunteering, leading support groups, etc. Everyone should be angry about the state of mental health in this country. That you aren't is probably another reason you should shut the frick up.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 3:06 pm to crazy4lsu
that’s a looong post; i don’t think I’m going to read.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 3:06 pm to crazy4lsu
Damn, klark kent dude would be furious over this post if he could read half of those words
Posted on 8/19/23 at 3:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The ability to Incarcerate
wide swaths of innocent humanity to get them.out of our sight is reprehensible.
Again, you are so divorced from what is going on at the ground level you are just making things up and pretending they reflect reality. And let's be honest, you don't want to do anything to help these people either. You want to pontificate from a distance. You consistently have no idea what you are talking about and you seem completely immune from learning anything new about the world.
Posted on 8/19/23 at 3:07 pm to Murray
crazy4lsu is about to lose his shite on you son. he volunteers after all.
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