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Posted on 2/11/25 at 2:20 pm to BigBinBR
quote:if they pay into in the first place
So you think the police (or anyone for that matter) should have to pay a percentage of their OT into the retirement system, but not get anything back on that portion?
Posted on 2/11/25 at 2:29 pm to BigBinBR
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The library is not approaching this correctly. They need to come out and say why should their funds be taken (which are/were funded by the entire parish) and then given to the city of Baton Rouge Police? This is exactly what was happening with St. George. They were taking money from St. George and using it to fund stuff that was only for the city limits of Baton Rouge.
Did you know that all properties in EBR also pay three millages - special law enforcement, special law enforcement 2, and special law enforcement 3 - that AfAIK go to EBRSO and yet EBRSO doesn't provide policing services to BR city property, Zachary, or Baker? Maybe the sheriff should cough up some money or start staffing the cities.
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In fact, the majority of the property taxes that fund EBRSO are generated by the city of Baton Rouge and yet EBRSO provides basically zero policing service to the city.
This post was edited on 2/11/25 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 2/11/25 at 2:31 pm to GreenRockTiger
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wrong - when I worked for the ‘berry it was 10 years and we were paying 9.5% into it ourselves
Yes, it is 10 years minimum per CERS, but they had to move the goal posts like they do most pension plans. After 2015, the minimum retirement age is 60 instead of 55, and the benefit is calculated from a 60-month income average instead of 36-month. For 25+ years, it went from no age restriction to minimum 55 years old.
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But should police overtime be counted towards their retirement?? I’m not anti police but that department needs an overhaul, too.
CERS says "A member shall receive service credit based on actual time worked for which both member and employer
contributions have been made."
Not sure if you mean side gigs not sanctioned by the Police, but I wonder if the statement means they take all the hours worked, divide 40 divide by 52 and there's your service credit.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 2:58 pm to jbgleason
frick a library
Posted on 2/11/25 at 3:06 pm to Huey Lewis
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In fact, the majority of the property taxes that fund EBRSO are generated by the city of Baton Rouge and yet EBRSO provides basically zero policing service to the city.
Well this is wrong. The EBRSO runs the parish prison. You know where the city of Baton Rouge takes people that they arrest. They also supply court security, parish homeland security, etc.
The Sheriff's office has jurisdiction everywhere inside East Baton Rouge Parish as the elected Sheriff is the chief law enforcement officer for the entire parish. 911 calls will get routed to BRPD, but you can actually request for a Sheriff to respond even if you live in the city limits.
Baton Rouge Police provides nothing outside of the city limits.
This post was edited on 2/11/25 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 2/11/25 at 3:08 pm to fr33manator
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Give the homeless a place to masturbate in comfort, duh.
This is not far from the truth, Unfortunately, libraries are just like every other place. You have undergrad students, grad students and people who work in a handful of careers actually trying to use the resources at libraries.
Meanwhile, some fat sack of shite is sitting at computer terminal # 3 watching a Girls Gone Wild Video from 1998 or other random youtube videos for 3 hours.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 3:15 pm to Doctor B
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This is not far from the truth, Unfortunately, libraries are just like every other place. You have undergrad students, grad students and people who work in a handful of careers actually trying to use the resources at libraries.
I can't speak for anywhere else, but I would invite anyone in EBR who thinks libraries don't get legitimate use to swing by the main branch on Goodwood. Beautiful library that's nearly always very busy and has an incredible offering of resources.
I think the mayor is going to take an L on this one unless he can pivot into claiming that the millage reduction the library is already asking for is a win.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 3:16 pm to jizzle6609
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Not unless you are hiding funds for a rainy day man.
Libraries are notorious for this.
This is how they generate money for large capital projects like building libraries, they don't float bonds. That $95 mil is probably already dedicated to a project. Every government agency should be run as well as the library system.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 3:18 pm to Doctor B
I can tell most of you all do not use the libraries. I bring my son often to the main library because he likes to study there. It's almost always packed. I don't know how much traffic any of the other locations get. The place is always clean and very professionally run.
Could they get by with less money, I'm sure of it. But it seems to be the only city government entity that is being responsible with the money they are given and not just spending it because "we have it". I would rather them raid some of the other government funds that are poorly run and rife with corruption.
For some kids, these libraries are the only place they can go to access the resources it provides. I would start looking at these "community centers" that definitely don't provide the return on investment that the libraries are providing.
Could they get by with less money, I'm sure of it. But it seems to be the only city government entity that is being responsible with the money they are given and not just spending it because "we have it". I would rather them raid some of the other government funds that are poorly run and rife with corruption.
For some kids, these libraries are the only place they can go to access the resources it provides. I would start looking at these "community centers" that definitely don't provide the return on investment that the libraries are providing.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 3:20 pm to Loubacca
EBR libraries are wildly extravagant. Whatever we are spending on them right now seems to be way too much.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 3:33 pm to Loubacca
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I can tell most of you do not use libraries....
I use libraries. I work in a research heavy field. That is why I said students and some professionals use libraries.
The other set of people taking 5-hour naps, watching boxing videos or playing with their junk is also very real.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 3:38 pm to BigBinBR
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Well this is wrong. The EBRSO runs the parish prison. You know where the city of Baton Rouge takes people that they arrest. They also supply court security, parish homeland security, etc.
The Sheriff's office has jurisdiction everywhere inside East Baton Rouge Parish as the elected Sheriff is the chief law enforcement officer for the entire parish. 911 calls will get routed to BRPD, but you can actually request for a Sheriff to respond even if you live in the city limits.
First, the bolded part is flat out not true unless you're personal friends with the Sheriff. EBRSO might humor you and send a deputy to talk to you if you can't be placated over the phone, but ultimately they will forward your call to BRPD.
Aside from that, try to follow what I'm saying:
The cities of Baton Rouge, Zachary, Central, Baker, and now St. George all pays three property taxes to pay for EBRSO as do all unincorporated parts of EBR.
EBRSO provides the whole parish with a prison and 19th JDC court service.
EBRSO provides the unincorporated areas, St. George and to a lesser extent Central** with policing services on top of a prison and 19th JDC (**wasn't true in the past but Central PD has steadily taken over more of their policing responsibilities).
EBRSO generally does not provide Zachary or Baker with much policing services and it sure as hell doesn't provide policing services to the city of Baton Rouge. Definitely not even close to proportionate to the percentage of its policing budget that is generated by the city of Baton Rouge.
So in effect, property owners inside the city of Baton Rouge are subsidizing the policing services given by EBRSO to the rest of the parish. Fact.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 3:38 pm to GreenRockTiger
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wrong - when I worked for the ‘berry it was 10 years and we were paying 9.5% into it ourselves
Louisiana has some of the lowest paid librarians (a ‘real’ librarian has a masters degree).
I do think the library has too much money and for years the city/parish government has been salivating at the thought of lining their pockets with it.
But should police overtime be counted towards their retirement?? I’m not anti police but that department needs an overhaul, too.
Ok, 10 years still most people dont get a PENSION after 10 years of bullshite service.
I wont argue we have the lowest paid librarians, we have the worst education system. We dont value education so we dont value teachers and librarians like we should.
Too much? What the heck are they going to do with all the cash? Nothing but a big pot of money for someone to figure out how to steal from.
If its not invested, its even more of a waste then we can even imagine.
Agreed, LE needs some changes as well.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 3:41 pm to jbgleason
I live in Ascension and always said they spend way too much on these libraries and they are still building more.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 3:44 pm to Huey Lewis
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First, the bolded part is flat out not true unless you're personal friends with the Sheriff. EBRSO might humor you and send a deputy to talk to you if you can't be placated over the phone, but ultimately they will forward your call to BRPD.
You literally have no idea what you are talking about. Do you want to hear it from both the City Police and the Sheriff's office all in the same article?
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Response from Baton Rouge police spokesman Sgt. Donald Stone:
“The Baton Rouge Police Department has jurisdiction only within the city limits of Baton Rouge and will respond to all complaints within the city.
“The East Baton Rouge Parish Sheriff’s Office has jurisdiction parishwide, including within city limits of Baton Rouge, Baker, Zachary and Central.
“Although the Sheriff’s Office will respond if requested, it would be my suggestion that if you live within the city limits of Baton Rouge that you contact the Baton Rouge Police Department for police-related matters.”
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Response from Sheriff’s Office spokeswoman Casey Rayborn Hicks:
“The Sheriff’s Office has jurisdiction throughout the parish of East Baton Rouge. The office’s primary responsibility, however, is the unincorporated portions of the parish, as they have no other means of law enforcement protection. While the Sheriff’s Office’s primary responsibility is the unincorporated areas, the sheriff is the chief law enforcement officer of the parish, and will therefore respond anywhere in the parish when requested.
The Advocate
This post was edited on 2/11/25 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 2/11/25 at 3:49 pm to BigBinBR
That's an almost 15 year old article where government officials are putting out bullshite that doesn't actually happen in reality.
It wasn't true then and it isn't true now. You can look at the total incidents handled each year by BRPD vs. EBRSO and look at a map of where they are handled to see what happens in reality. EBRSO does not do any substantial amount of policing inside the city limits of Baton Rouge, Baker, or Zachary.
ETA:
If you know any street deputies you can even ask them how many dispatches they've ever gotten to addresses inside the cities.
It wasn't true then and it isn't true now. You can look at the total incidents handled each year by BRPD vs. EBRSO and look at a map of where they are handled to see what happens in reality. EBRSO does not do any substantial amount of policing inside the city limits of Baton Rouge, Baker, or Zachary.
ETA:
If you know any street deputies you can even ask them how many dispatches they've ever gotten to addresses inside the cities.
This post was edited on 2/11/25 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 2/11/25 at 3:59 pm to jbgleason
How will they fund yard signs that say “heart” my library?
Posted on 2/11/25 at 3:59 pm to Huey Lewis
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EBRSO does not do any substantial amount of policing inside the city limits of Baton Rouge, Baker, or Zachary.
I never said they do any substantial amount. But you know how much policing outside the city limits of Baton Rouge does? 0.
However, you are advocating for the reallocation of funds collected from Zachary residents through the library tax to be redirected to BRPD.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 4:52 pm to Huey Lewis
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That's an almost 15 year old article where government officials are putting out bullshite that doesn't actually happen in reality.
It wasn't true then and it isn't true now. You can look at the total incidents handled each year by BRPD vs. EBRSO and look at a map of where they are handled to see what happens in reality. EBRSO does not do any substantial amount of policing inside the city limits of Baton Rouge, Baker, or Zachary.
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If you know any street deputies you can even ask them how many dispatches they've ever gotten to addresses inside the cities.
He's actually correct. You can absolutely call the Sheriff to respond to a call inside any of the 5 city limits. Whether they have the manpower at the time or not and oblige your request is strictly up to them. This is an incredibly rare occurrence because when most people call for help they are directed to the agency that handles law enforcement for their address in the CAD.
Another good point is that all 5 cities in EBR Parish paid into the library tax so it would be charging Baker, Zachary, St. George and Central a tax to support the BRPD, which does not have jurisdiction in any of those cities and would be unable to provide any services in return.
As an avid St. George supporter, let me tell you the main issue other than schools is paying taxes into the CP coffer and not getting anything in return because it was used in the city of Baton Rouge.
I do agree we need to help the BRPD but the roadblock for this reallocation will be what I mentioned above, unfortunately.
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