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re: East Baton Rouge Metro Council passes smoking ban for bars and casinos
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:42 am to ell_13
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:42 am to ell_13
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You think they have zero regulations, don't you?
You're confusing operational regulations ( sanitary, electrical, plumbing etc..) with regulating the patrons of an establishment doing something that is legal. That is an owners right to choose rather to allow it or not.
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Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:44 am to ell_13
The smoking issue is a tough one. You'd like to see freedom for bar/restaurant owners to do as they please regarding a legal substance.
And while it's indisputable what smoking does to others via secondhand smoke, nobody forces you to choose to eat/drink at a place that has smoking.
TLDR I don't give a frick either way.
And while it's indisputable what smoking does to others via secondhand smoke, nobody forces you to choose to eat/drink at a place that has smoking.
TLDR I don't give a frick either way.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 11:45 am
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:44 am to ell_13
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Because health standards. You have a right as a citizen to know that your food isn't expired, rats aren't in the kitchen, and cancerous smoke isn't in the air.
Apples and oranges. You have the right not to patronize these establishments.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:45 am to BOSCEAUX
quote:If smoking makes the air, food and drink unsanitary (which it does), then there's obviously some crossover, yes?
You're confusing operational regulations ( sanitary, electrical, plumbing etc..) with regulating the patrons of an establishment doing something that is legal. That is an owners right to choose rather to allow it or not.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:46 am to mikelbr
quote:I don't either.
TLDR I don't give a frick either way.
I don't go to bars or casinos but I'm fricking bored so devil's advocate it is!!!
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:46 am to ell_13
quote:
Because health standards. You have a right as a citizen to know that your food isn't expired, rats aren't in the kitchen, and cancerous smoke isn't in the air.
You've identified two things that are asymmetrical information problems and one thing which is open and obvious and can be determined ahead of time.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 11:47 am
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:48 am to ell_13
quote:
If smoking makes the air, food and drink unsanitary (which it does), then there's obviously some crossover, yes?
Drunk drivers kill innocent people so ban alcohol sales in bars and restaurants.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:48 am to ell_13
quote:
You think they have zero regulations, don't you?
So your argument is the regulations are all consuming anyways, so one more doesn't matter?
My argument would be to use the momentum of defeating this to go after some of the other non-essential regulations controlling choices that would be solved by the free market. This isn't a zero sum game, and I'm not for totally unregulated businesses.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:49 am to therick711
quote:So you're saying it should be okay for restaurants to serve expired food as long as they list the expiration dates for all of their current ingredients on the door?
You've identified two things that are an asymmetrical information problem and one thing which is open and obvious and can be determined ahead of time.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:50 am to BOSCEAUX
quote:Aren't bars liable for overserving alcohol?
Drunk drivers kill innocent people so ban alcohol sales in bars and restaurants.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:52 am to ell_13
quote:
So you're saying it should be okay for restaurants to serve expired food as long as they list the expiration dates for all of their current ingredients on the door?
No, I'm saying that solving an asymmetrical information problem is different than whether one should intervene on an open and obvious situation.
By the way, you're trying to use a reduction to absurdity argument, but it actually fails. If the restaurants are making it clear they are serving expired food, the problem will take care of itself. MARKETS! Just like if patrons stopped patronizing places that allowed smoking, they would stop. MARKETS! They really are amazing little things. Revolutionary, really.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:52 am to ell_13
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Aren't bars liable for overserving alcohol?
Obviously, you don't live in Louisiana.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:54 am to therick711
:|
It was technically a question, rick.
It was technically a question, rick.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:54 am to ell_13
quote:
So you're saying it should be okay for restaurants to serve expired food as long as they list the expiration dates for all of their current ingredients on the door?
Um, yes? First of all, it's hilarious to me that you're saying regulations can protect us all, but then quoting "expiration dates" as the end all be all, which according to the USDA aren't even heavily regulated.
USDA
quote:
Are Dates for Food Safety or Quality? Manufacturers provide dating to help consumers and retailers decide when food is of best quality. Except for infant formula, dates are not an indicator of the product’s safety and are not required by Federal law.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:55 am to therick711
Guess that pretty much shuts down Churchills.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:55 am to ell_13
You put the laugh emoticon indicating you thought you were responding to the objection effectively. Not my fault you didn't bother to look it up. It was like the Danny Zardon of repartee.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:56 am to Jcorye1
quote:link to where I said that?
it's hilarious to me that you're saying regulations can protect us all
quote:I said that, too?
but then quoting "expiration dates" as the end all be all
It was rick's point and I made a strawman. frick off.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:56 am to therick711
quote:I did google but not for LA specifically.
Not my fault you didn't bother to look it up.
quote:Chill out.
It was like the Danny Zardon of repartee.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:57 am to ell_13
quote:
quote:
TLDR I don't give a frick either way.
I don't either.
I don't go to bars or casinos but I'm fricking bored so devil's advocate it is!!!
I don't smoke
I do firmly believe in a private businesses right to choose on this issue. It's not like it's a ninja attack, you know if a place allows smoking before you ever go in. Everybody has a choice. Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:58 am to ell_13
quote:
Chill out.
My bad. It wasn't that bad.
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