re: Early Moderna vaccine recipients TWICE as likely to get a breakthrough infection

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quote: “people will be willing to try anything for any disease and even more so with Wuhan”

That's the point. The "scamdemic, vaccines are a sham" people are having the "I fricked up, Facebook was wrong" moment. It's sad for sure, but hard for me to feel sorry for them

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That wasn’t point. With Wuhan vents haven’t had great outcomes and sometimes used too aggressively in past. At that point experimental and risky treatments start to get looked at harder by all sides including things that aren’t actually treatments like vaccines. It’s the same with other diseases. Seeking options at that point doesn’t always mean they think they fricked up.

Vaccinated have died from Wuhan as well. They even might have asked if another dosage would help. They also might have thought they messed up getting vaccine especially before regular approval or if one still not approved yet. Who knows. I do know I could not be an arse who has no empathy for people in those situations at those particular moments. If infected in July or since vaccinated probably infected them.

Also your friend of a friend resident seems like an arse if real and really shared patient conversations.

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So you just choose to ignore the data. Got it. If you have other data that shows vaccinated people having worse outcomes than unvaccinated people, with the delta strain or otherwise, I'd love to see it.

Also, the length of efficacy for the vaccines is measured in real time, that's why they use the term "at least".

Be better.

ETA: he's not "my president". I can't stand him. These are Trump's vaccines. Do you hate trump?

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You really do bounce off on your own tangent in these discussions. I really hope you just hit wrong reply button for this last one.

Be better.

My comment was always about you acting like someone bringing up vaccine before vent is admitting how stupid they were when it common in situation to also ask about options including something they might have deemed risky before and with your proof being a friend of a friend resident.

I am vaccinated. I just don’t buy into them being as benign a solution as stalinists make it out to be especially for previous infected and don’t buy into vaccine over natural immunity(Kentucky after the fact study of data had so many holes and was a small amount it was embarrassing for them to push). With Delta I do think asymptomatic vaccinated are causing a lot of spread if not most (so congrats you probably killed someone that you admittedly don’t feel sorry about the situation they were in), and I think there is fear of Antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) with upcoming variants with mRNA vaccinated. Many were pushing earlier that the spike protein targeted by mRNA vaccines would not mutate enough to cause problems with vaccine, and delta changed that. Their only answer for now until updated mRNAs or broader based vaccines is to keep spiking original mRNA vaccine antibodies levels to overwhelm initial Trojan horse issue. Spiking antibodies artificially multiple times within 6 to 8 month time frames has its risks or at a minimum doesn’t have a lot of long term research on safety with these specific ones.