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re: Drug Counselor & Author Of "The Sober Addict" Drives Drunk Into NYC BBQ, Killing 3 People
Posted on 7/7/24 at 1:58 pm to Bamadog75
Posted on 7/7/24 at 1:58 pm to Bamadog75
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I know he is eventually responsible for his actions but the bar that kicked him out should have took his keys and called him an Uber if he was that drunk.
Are you the Dudley or the Debosier?
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Posted on 7/8/24 at 12:16 am to mudshuvl05
Never said he wasn't responsible for his actions. He should be under the jail. My step daughter was killed by a drunk driver five years ago. Two drunk Mexicans bought alcohol at a convenience store and we're so drunk they could barely walk and they were allowed to buy more beer . Got in their car and minutes later killed my step daughter. If I owned a bar I would make sure if your too drunk to enter my bar your too drunk to drive away from my bar. If you people don't like that I'm sorry.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 6:47 am to gumbo2176
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They can also be passed down generationally. Heart disease runs in my father's side of the family and they were genetically predisposed to it.
Same with addiction. There's a large genetic predisposition to addiction. From a 2 second Google search:
While finding the precise genetic cause is tricky, multiple lines of research do show that genes influence substance use. From careful studies, scientists estimate a person's genetics account for 40-60 percent of their risk. Each person has a mix of gene variations that influence addiction.
Is that all that goes into it? Of course not. But you act as if it's somehow different than being genetically predisposed to heart disease or diabetes.
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The point I'm making about drug addiction and alcoholism is it's a life choice. If you don't drink heavily or do a shite-ton of hard drugs, you won't catch that so-called disease of addiction.
Drug addiction and alcoholism are the same thing, just say addiction or you're being redundant. And if someone eats healthy and exercises regularly they probably won't be catching heart disease or diabetes even if genetically predisposed either.
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As for my stepson, he does drugs because it makes him feel good about himself because when not high, he comes to the realization he's a failure at life.
I don't doubt he does drugs because it helps him feel good about himself and escape reality. I'm a failure at life though, eh maybe? Or there's a guy sleeping with my mom and I'll always just be a stepson to him and he's always had disdain towards me subconsciously? Who frickin knows, maybe there is no reason.
This post was edited on 7/8/24 at 7:14 am
Posted on 7/8/24 at 8:21 am to Bamadog75
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If I owned a bar I would make sure if your too drunk to enter my bar your too drunk to drive away from my bar.
How would you go about this?
Posted on 7/8/24 at 8:30 am to DavidTheGnome
Painting your replies with a broad brush aren't you???
Let's just conclude that you have your beliefs about this and I have mine and they obviously don't mesh. Therefore, we will not see eye to eye on the subject.
Until you've lived 15 years in my shoes dealing with an addict who has basically thrown away his life, then you can talk to me on a peer level.
The key word in your last paragraph should had read disappointment being the key word, not disdain. Oh, and that not only goes for me, his stepfather, but also his mother, sister, aunts and uncles, cousins and close friends who watch him take that path.
Let's just conclude that you have your beliefs about this and I have mine and they obviously don't mesh. Therefore, we will not see eye to eye on the subject.
Until you've lived 15 years in my shoes dealing with an addict who has basically thrown away his life, then you can talk to me on a peer level.
The key word in your last paragraph should had read disappointment being the key word, not disdain. Oh, and that not only goes for me, his stepfather, but also his mother, sister, aunts and uncles, cousins and close friends who watch him take that path.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 8:34 am to Partha
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addicts don’t choose addiction — addiction chooses them.
I was having sympathy’s until I read this
This post was edited on 7/8/24 at 8:35 am
Posted on 7/8/24 at 8:37 am to LaBR4
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Blame it on the a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-alcohol Blame it on the vodka, blame it on the Henny Blame it on the blue tap got him feeling dizzy
I know the bottle ain’t to blame and I ain’t tryin’ to,
It don’t make you do a thing, it just lets you
Posted on 7/8/24 at 10:43 am to gumbo2176
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Let's just conclude that you have your beliefs about this and I have mine and they obviously don't mesh. Therefore, we will not see eye to eye on the subject.
You claimed it wasn't a disease so I provided the definition of disease which fits. Then you claimed that there's no genetic component and I provided showing there was. You're right we will need to agree to disagree, but I don't think you actually are wanting to learn about addiction but rather clinging onto your own ideas (which I get can be borne from dealing with addict behaviors).
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Until you've lived 15 years in my shoes dealing with an addict who has basically thrown away his life, then you can talk to me on a peer level.
I can pretty much guarantee I have more experience in addiction and dealing with it
Posted on 7/8/24 at 10:47 am to gumbo2176
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Painting your replies with a broad brush aren't you???
Let's just conclude that you have your beliefs about this and I have mine and they obviously don't mesh. Therefore, we will not see eye to eye on the subject.
Until you've lived 15 years in my shoes dealing with an addict who has basically thrown away his life, then you can talk to me on a peer level.
The key word in your last paragraph should had read disappointment being the key word, not disdain. Oh, and that not only goes for me, his stepfather, but also his mother, sister, aunts and uncles, cousins and close friends who watch him take that path.
All of this is correct.
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