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re: Dr. Richard Saul: ADHD Does Not Exist
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:53 am to Drew Orleans
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:53 am to Drew Orleans
Americans take 90% of the worlds Ritalin supply and it is strictly an American disease, which leads me to believe it is made up.
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:54 am to Drew Orleans
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Read all of my posts and learn how to comprehend... wait... did you forget your meds?
You claimed that his problem wasn't ADD, but a lower IQ. I'll work on my reading comprehension while you work on your writing composition.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:55 am to Drew Orleans
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That's awesome and congrats to him. He is more than likely, one of the rare ones though. A proper statistical analysis can not be made by simply referencing your cousin.
I think it's far more common than you'd like to acknowledge. I'm not the Doctor that you seem to think you are but I've seen quite a few people like that.
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the answer isn't to give a pill to the other animals so they grow hands/opposable thumbs/etc.
I am of the opinion that with out the medication he would not have gotten into his dream school at Berkley and therefore wouldn't be a Nuclear Physicist today.
I don't think there is any argument that some of these conditions are over diagnosed, but the people who do legitimately suffer from these conditions aren't genetically inferior or less intelligent than those who don't as you seem to believe.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:01 pm to Drew Orleans
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Unfortunately, most people are given jobs/opportunities based on school performance (as well as many other things.)
It's messed up, but again I'm not complaining based on personal experiences so please realize I'm stating all of this because I find that is unfair to most others. It isn't right or just.
I'll give you that one.
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I'm not a doctor but am closely related to several.
But did you stay at a Holiday Inn?
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:02 pm to Drew Orleans
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I'm not a doctor but am closely related to several. My father for one...
I'm closely related to a Nuclear Physicist, but I try to keep from making ignorant comments on Cold Fusion.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:03 pm to Drew Orleans
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genetically inferior
So if your body develops cancer do you expect to be treated, or will you just let your shitty genetics allow you to die?
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:06 pm to Displaced
I work with doctors, and the ones I've talked with about it all think its 90% bullshite. Sure there are exceptions, but it's really just some bullshite we made up to calm children whose mind bounces all over the place.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:07 pm to Displaced
bullshite.
We went through hell with my son for most of his school years.I refused to medicate for years. We tried every avenue other than medication. He was never hyper, but definitely has problems with focus and organizations.
We finally decided to give medication a shot. It's his junior year in high school and he went from D's and F's to A's and B's with Vyvanse. It was like flipping a switch.
After 8-9 years of begging, pleading, spanking, grounding, therapists, tutors, and everything in between, he is now succeeding in school.
Btw, he has always been an active, outdoorsy type kid. He doesn't fall into the stereotypical ADHD type, but he needed help.
I hate that as a father, I refused to medicate him. I was full on against it. Now, he is doing so much better, taking calculus and pre-engineering courses and excelling at them.
The medicine does get abused, but there are definitely some that need it and benefit greatly from it.
We went through hell with my son for most of his school years.I refused to medicate for years. We tried every avenue other than medication. He was never hyper, but definitely has problems with focus and organizations.
We finally decided to give medication a shot. It's his junior year in high school and he went from D's and F's to A's and B's with Vyvanse. It was like flipping a switch.
After 8-9 years of begging, pleading, spanking, grounding, therapists, tutors, and everything in between, he is now succeeding in school.
Btw, he has always been an active, outdoorsy type kid. He doesn't fall into the stereotypical ADHD type, but he needed help.
I hate that as a father, I refused to medicate him. I was full on against it. Now, he is doing so much better, taking calculus and pre-engineering courses and excelling at them.
The medicine does get abused, but there are definitely some that need it and benefit greatly from it.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:08 pm to CarRamrod
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look at what you keep saying. you are not fixing the problem just treating the symptoms
I say "symptoms" because people are claiming ADHD doesn't exist. I'm saying that whatever the problem is stops being a problem when you take the meds. There is nothing you can take to make ADHD disappear forever. You are not simply treating symptoms. It is a brain chemistry problem, and the meds correct the brain chemistry while you take them, just getting rid of the symptoms.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:08 pm to Drew Orleans
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They may not be less intelligent, but if they do truly have these disabilities, then they absolutely are genetically inferior as far as mental ability goes. It is an exact example of it actually.
Am I incorrect in my assumption that intelligence level is the main measure of mental ability?
Your intelligence level is showing.
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:09 pm to Putty
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bullshite. I am a victim of this terrible disease, which my parents neglected to treat, causing a precipitous decline in my well-being and quality of life. Specifically, I abhor tedious details requiring the expense of effort to grasp and much prefer doing what the frick I want with my time which, as a child, was running around like a fricking lunatic.
"Why, God, why did you strike me with this disease?!"
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:10 pm to UPT
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You're intelligence level is showing.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:10 pm to Drew Orleans
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Shouldn't we be for those with better genetics to do better, as far as the advancement of the human race goes?
You're fricking dumb.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but stimulants have that same effect on basically everyone. if everyone was prescribed stimulants like you were, the question is if you'd remain where you originally were in the pecking order
Stimulants DO NOT work the same on everyone. Giving someone without ADHD a stimulant often causes them to become hyper and unable to focus, the exact opposite of the effect it has a person with ADHD. Most people that abuse stimulants for academic purposes don't use them to increase focus, they use them to stay up late studying without needing to sleep.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:15 pm to Drew Orleans
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Strawman argument, but we can have that discussion after my lunch break if you'd like
Nah. Intelligence is where you measure whether or not someone is inferior. Whether or not someone can focus when they're uninterested doesn't exactly make them inferior. ESPECIALLY if they're smarter than you.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:16 pm to UPT
I think that what a lot of people here do not realize is that clinical ADHD is not classified as a behavioral problem or leaning disability or family/parental dysfunction, although a lot of kids with ADHD also have those factors too.
Historically in the 1990's and early 2000's, many, many kids were diagnosed with ADHD without consideration for these factors (behavioral, psychological disorders, learning disabilities, and/or family dynamics) that may mimic symptoms of ADHD. Thus, tragically, a lot of kids were placed of some fairly powerful psycho-active medications that resulted a lot of negative consequences.
The current protocol of ADHD diagnoses require complete evaluations into very aspect of a child's ability to learning and process information. Most of these evaluations are done in specialized multidisciplinary centers staffed by child psychiatrists, psychologists, learning/behavioral specialists. The evaluations include IQ, learning disabilities, neuro.-psychological development, ADHD, and behavioral-social-family issues. To get diagnosed with ADHD, the child must exhibit and meet some very strict ADHD criteria. The child is recommended to get re-eval every 1-2 years.
For kids that have undergone the full evaluation, treating their ADHD along with treatment and/or therapy for any other factors does produce great results.
Historically in the 1990's and early 2000's, many, many kids were diagnosed with ADHD without consideration for these factors (behavioral, psychological disorders, learning disabilities, and/or family dynamics) that may mimic symptoms of ADHD. Thus, tragically, a lot of kids were placed of some fairly powerful psycho-active medications that resulted a lot of negative consequences.
The current protocol of ADHD diagnoses require complete evaluations into very aspect of a child's ability to learning and process information. Most of these evaluations are done in specialized multidisciplinary centers staffed by child psychiatrists, psychologists, learning/behavioral specialists. The evaluations include IQ, learning disabilities, neuro.-psychological development, ADHD, and behavioral-social-family issues. To get diagnosed with ADHD, the child must exhibit and meet some very strict ADHD criteria. The child is recommended to get re-eval every 1-2 years.
For kids that have undergone the full evaluation, treating their ADHD along with treatment and/or therapy for any other factors does produce great results.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:18 pm to rompus
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rompus
You sound like a great dad man. I wish all of the children with your sons condition had parents like his.
It takes a tremendous amount of patience and love to raise them and unfortunately a lot of these kid's don't get parent's equipped for the challenge.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:33 pm to Murray
As a dyslixic who was given add meds most of my life and refused to take them for years. I am huge a-hole when I take those pills and I gained tons of wieght the day I stopped. However I have seen them do wonders for people. The title of this thread is misleading because article posted is more about the abuse of the pills/doctors rather then the symptoms of ADD.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:37 pm to Dire Wolf
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The title of this thread is misleading because article posted is more about the abuse of the pills/doctors rather then the symptoms of ADD
the title of this thread is the title of the linked article with the doctors full name...
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:41 pm to Displaced
US Consumes 90% of World's Ritalin Supply
We are a doped up nation where legalized drugs are far more harmful than those we lock people up in prison for.
[quote]Doping children with Ritalin is commonplace.
American kids are the most medicated in the world. Every year more than 200 million prescriptions are written for children and teenagers in the United States.
That works out to more than three prescriptions per child every year.
The increase in use of attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) drugs has been nothing short of staggering in its implications. In 30 years, there has been a twenty-fold increase in the consumption of attention-deficit disorder medications. America is responsible for 90% of worldwide consumption of Ritalin. Four million children and teens in America are currently taking Ritalin.
We are a doped up nation where legalized drugs are far more harmful than those we lock people up in prison for.
[quote]Doping children with Ritalin is commonplace.
American kids are the most medicated in the world. Every year more than 200 million prescriptions are written for children and teenagers in the United States.
That works out to more than three prescriptions per child every year.
The increase in use of attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) drugs has been nothing short of staggering in its implications. In 30 years, there has been a twenty-fold increase in the consumption of attention-deficit disorder medications. America is responsible for 90% of worldwide consumption of Ritalin. Four million children and teens in America are currently taking Ritalin.
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