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re: Dog with a torn ACL
Posted on 9/22/24 at 2:12 pm to terriblegreen
Posted on 9/22/24 at 2:12 pm to terriblegreen
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No. This advice is beyond stupid. He clearly has no idea what the rehab involves. 6 months to a year of no running. The dog is 14. Leave him alone. He’ll be fine.
This is absolutely not true.
I've been through the process twice now.
It's 6 weeks of very hands on rehab, and then a few months of semi hands on rehab, hill work. They lay it out for you. What to do, what not to do.
If the dog can handle being put under, IMO, kinda cruel to not get it.
Posted on 9/22/24 at 2:20 pm to burger bearcat
This is a 14 year old hound.
The improvement he'll see is likely marginal and might make things worse.
Not many 70+ year old men getting ligament surgeries because the risk to allow them to move slowly slightly faster just isn't worth it.
An animal that old doesn't have too much time left. Expense aside, a quarter of its projected remaining time in pain and recovery from surgery seems like a poor trade.
The improvement he'll see is likely marginal and might make things worse.
Not many 70+ year old men getting ligament surgeries because the risk to allow them to move slowly slightly faster just isn't worth it.
An animal that old doesn't have too much time left. Expense aside, a quarter of its projected remaining time in pain and recovery from surgery seems like a poor trade.
Posted on 9/22/24 at 3:16 pm to burger bearcat
My dog tore his ACL when he was about 7-8 years old. The surgery was pricey and it was going to lead to a crazy rehab process. The vet told me we could put him on a diet and get him to lose weight. That worked. He’s 11 now and still very active. He’s bow-legged because of the way he compensated for the injury, but otherwise he’s good.
Posted on 9/22/24 at 3:42 pm to burger bearcat
My sister has a 3 legged cat, it gets around just fine.
Posted on 9/22/24 at 4:44 pm to terriblegreen
quote:
This advice is beyond stupid. He clearly has no idea what the rehab involves. 6 months to a year of no running.
Oh the irony
Posted on 9/22/24 at 6:55 pm to burger bearcat
Shop it around it’s not 5k
Posted on 9/22/24 at 7:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:she has a small dog and they were a couple years apart. They were each under 1k...I think 750 a piece.
quote:
It wasn't 5k
Yeah ours were like 1200 and 1400 (Covidflationn was in full force)
Posted on 9/22/24 at 7:22 pm to burger bearcat
Time heals all wounds. Had an elderly dog that tore his ACL as well. Took several months of limping around, but he recovered.
Sucks seeing him limp around but he will improve
Sucks seeing him limp around but he will improve

Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:17 am to AuburnTigers
Mine tore hers a month ago and I see no improvement. I'm going to do the surgery. She's a perfectly healthy dog, I see no reason for her to be in pain. I guess I won't be going to Europe this year but I'll get over it.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:26 am to burger bearcat
5k?? Are there extreme vet shortages where you guys live?
For 5k, you could bring that dog to my very competent vet in NE MS, leave it, get it treated, and take a vacation somewhere while it’s getting treated for 5 thousand dollars.
For 5k, you could bring that dog to my very competent vet in NE MS, leave it, get it treated, and take a vacation somewhere while it’s getting treated for 5 thousand dollars.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 11:09 am to burger bearcat
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Are there any options outside of surgery? 14 year old mixed hound dog. It is really hard to justify 5k, and possibly 10k (if the other tears) for the surgery right no
Hard to justify for a 14 yo dog, but I have a very active dog and she tore her ACL chasing squirrels in our backyard when she was 6, so I opted for the surgery. Literally one month later, she tore the other one.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 11:33 am to burger bearcat
Cost analysis: knee replacement vs. dog replacement.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 12:08 pm to burger bearcat
don't think a brace would work. the ligament isn't going to repair itself.
we went through this 3-4 years ago. or dog could not even use the injured leg. $3k and some time and she was running around like a puppy.
it's part of the responsibility of pet ownership. no way i could just watcher her suffer.
we went through this 3-4 years ago. or dog could not even use the injured leg. $3k and some time and she was running around like a puppy.
it's part of the responsibility of pet ownership. no way i could just watcher her suffer.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 1:07 pm to burger bearcat
How did it tear it ACL? Gives a good idea of the background of the animal, are there other issues we should be worried about etc?
it sounds like (from a later post) that you are opting for immobilization, pain management, and seeing if the tissue will "scar" (it will never heal on its own). i think for this age animal, that's an ok approach. lets be honest, he's no spring chicken. his best squirrel chasing days are behind him. if he is in general not a very active dog, then this could be a good option.
with this option, there is something very important to keep in mind. without surgical intervention the joint will be unstable. this leads to abnormal biomechanics and abnormal wear and tear. There is a high probability of the knee developing arthritis as time goes, and maybe even other joints depending on how he compensates. You are going to have to weigh that risk to benefit and decide if its right for you. will he pass of other things related to age before that happens? maybe. no one can tell you.
If you decide to have the surgery done, what size is your dog? (weight wise). if under 50 lbs there plenty of data that suggest TPLO is not necessarily superior than extracapsular techniques. I would talk to your vet about that approach. its a simpler surgery, and generally much cheaper. if they are quoting you 5k i suspect they want to do TPLO or a TTA. if your dog is over 50lbs, well, lets say its controversial it TPLO is better. What isn't controversial is your finances. If you don't have the means to drop 5 k for surgery that's ok. Just be honest with your vet and if extracapsular technique is something you could do for cheaper. if they say no, maybe they can recommend another vet who knows the technique and will. Trust me, they will understand.
Does surgery always work? No, nothing is a guarantee in medicine. TPLO's are in general, pretty successful surgeries. But just because you spend the money doent mean you will get the outcome you want.
will the other leg have issues too? likely, a large percentage of dogs that have an ACL tear have one in the other leg within a year. So keep that in mind. This goes back to my first question. How did it happen? maybe modify the dogs behavior so we are avoiding activities like that in the future.
i hope that helps some. if you have specific questions I'll do what i can to answer. I'm not an orthopod and am not going to pretend to be one.
quote:
Are there any options outside of surgery?
it sounds like (from a later post) that you are opting for immobilization, pain management, and seeing if the tissue will "scar" (it will never heal on its own). i think for this age animal, that's an ok approach. lets be honest, he's no spring chicken. his best squirrel chasing days are behind him. if he is in general not a very active dog, then this could be a good option.
with this option, there is something very important to keep in mind. without surgical intervention the joint will be unstable. this leads to abnormal biomechanics and abnormal wear and tear. There is a high probability of the knee developing arthritis as time goes, and maybe even other joints depending on how he compensates. You are going to have to weigh that risk to benefit and decide if its right for you. will he pass of other things related to age before that happens? maybe. no one can tell you.
If you decide to have the surgery done, what size is your dog? (weight wise). if under 50 lbs there plenty of data that suggest TPLO is not necessarily superior than extracapsular techniques. I would talk to your vet about that approach. its a simpler surgery, and generally much cheaper. if they are quoting you 5k i suspect they want to do TPLO or a TTA. if your dog is over 50lbs, well, lets say its controversial it TPLO is better. What isn't controversial is your finances. If you don't have the means to drop 5 k for surgery that's ok. Just be honest with your vet and if extracapsular technique is something you could do for cheaper. if they say no, maybe they can recommend another vet who knows the technique and will. Trust me, they will understand.
Does surgery always work? No, nothing is a guarantee in medicine. TPLO's are in general, pretty successful surgeries. But just because you spend the money doent mean you will get the outcome you want.
will the other leg have issues too? likely, a large percentage of dogs that have an ACL tear have one in the other leg within a year. So keep that in mind. This goes back to my first question. How did it happen? maybe modify the dogs behavior so we are avoiding activities like that in the future.
i hope that helps some. if you have specific questions I'll do what i can to answer. I'm not an orthopod and am not going to pretend to be one.
Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:33 am to burger bearcat
Don't do that to your dog. Just allow dog to chill and move at it's own pace and it will adapt and be fine
Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:36 am to burger bearcat
Our dog had tommy john surgery. Fastball is faster than ever.
Posted on 9/24/24 at 4:29 am to burger bearcat
Sad for Fideaux. Best of luck for the both of you.
Posted on 9/24/24 at 8:55 am to burger bearcat
I have a 9-year-old dog that was limping for a week, we brought her to the vet told us torn ACL, we didn't get the surgery and a few days later she was fine. This has happened twice.
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