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Does anyone have ductless air conditioning/heat?

Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:13 am
Posted by Broke
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Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:13 am
I'm working with about 400sq feet and I'm getting recommendations for ductless but I don't know anything about it. The cost seems to be about the same.
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 10:13 am
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:13 am to
I have window units. Those are ductless
Posted by Hangover Haven
Metry
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:14 am to
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ductless air conditioning/heat


AKA window unit?
Posted by bee Rye
New orleans
Member since Jan 2006
34549 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:14 am to
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AKA window unit?
no, probably a mini split


OP, they work fine, but they look like shite IMO
Posted by Huey Lewis
BR
Member since Oct 2013
5104 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:16 am to
The cost is about the same as what?

I have mixed feelings about them. On the one hand I like them. On the other hand, sometimes I feel like they're accomplishing the same thing as a window unit for 5 or 10 times the cost.
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
75985 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:16 am to
they have plenum systems in homes?
Posted by MusclesofBrussels
Member since Dec 2015
4981 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:16 am to
I do, it's pretty popular in newer construction in areas of the country where central air is rare (pacific NW). I've got an LG system with 4 units cooling an 1,800 square foot place. We can keep it pretty cold in there even when the temp is high 80s/low 90s by just running one or two units. Strength is obviously going to vary based on the setup you choose, but ductless should be more than enough for 400 square feet.

The only downside is that maintenance on them can be a real pain in the arse. Most service companies aren't as familiar with them, or only work on specific brands.
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 10:17 am
Posted by Hangover Haven
Metry
Member since Oct 2013
33351 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:20 am to
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no, probably a mini split



Gotcha..

Had to google image to see what a mini split was...

Especially like the guys Cypress Garden's Dick Pope ski decoration...


Posted by MardiGrasCajun
Dirty Coast, MS
Member since Sep 2005
6013 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:21 am to
quote:

'm working with about 400sq feet and I'm getting recommendations for ductless but I don't know anything about it. The cost seems to be about the same.



They work great. People don't realize that most places in the world use mini-split ductless systems. Daikin isn't the world's largest A/C manufacturer for nothing. Most dwellings around the world do not have attics. Mini-splits have been around for a very long time in most other markets. My only suggestion is to use a Japanese brand not Chinese.

Mini-splits are very efficient and rarely have issues.
Posted by MardiGrasCajun
Dirty Coast, MS
Member since Sep 2005
6013 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:28 am to
Also, if you're worried about aesthetics, you could always go with the mini-split ceiling cassette style.

Posted by cajunbuck
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Member since Sep 2017
997 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:30 am to
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Especially like the guys Cypress Garden's Dick Pope ski decoration...



no doubt... I've been looking for one of these exact ones for years to make a shot-ski out of. its what we grew up on...


sorry for hijack... carry on
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 10:31 am
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
91713 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:33 am to
sounds good in theory, if walls are covered you'll still need to run copper and wiring to the outside, also there's a pump to move the water that has to be installed, if that's the only place that needs ac it might be something to look into
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 10:37 am
Posted by AndyCBR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2012
8183 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:35 am to
I installed one in my insulated 2 car shop and it has performed well so far.

The ceiling cassette style are very expensive and use a pump for condensate and also would require framing work for a retrofit.

Downsides are flare fittings are prone to leaking if not installed properly. Have to charge by weight if you lose refrigerant. Also you typically end up needing to hide the lines with a lineset cover on an exterior wall.
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:40 am to
What MardiGrasTexan said.

I'll add, it can't be reiterated enough. Do not buy the Chinese units! Stick with Daikin, LG or Mitsubishi. There are also units branded for the major carriers that we are familiar with in the US such as Lennox but I would imagine that those are just rebrands of one of the three manufactures mentioned above.

The Chinese units, like most Chinese shite, are very unreliable or hit or miss but the most important reason to stay away from the Chinese units is Parts availability. It's virtually nonexistent. I made the mistake of buying a $600, 5000 BTU, no name, Chinese mini split and it ran for about two years before the circuit board took a shite and I searched everywhere for parts and I couldn't find a single Part for that entire brand. They barely have a website. It's one of those Shady, single page, foreign Websites
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 10:42 am
Posted by Rendevoustavern
Member since May 2018
1895 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:43 am to
Have mini-split in a part of my house that was difficult to run 12" duct through. Roughly 600 sq feet and works fantastic for the space.
Upfront cost is higher but lifetime cost is less.
My ceilings are 12.5' and unit goes unnoticed pretty much blends in with the wall outside of it being gloss finish to my matte walls.

I got three different specs on the same space. Ended up going with RCTM in Kenner, great to work with, cost was competitive and comes with a fantastic warranty.
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:53 am to
Also, they're way more efficient because they utilize an inverter to control the compressor.

Another problem that I could see occurring and my experience here is going to be limited because I've only ever used a mini split in a small room so I can't say for certain, you might see hotspotting with mini splits. With a traditional central air unit you have multiple Supply Outlets which evenly distributes cold air throughout each room and the return is usually centrally-located. With a mini split there's only one Supply and the return is Right Above It which can create a loop. You can get around this by using multiple indoor units but who wants all those units on the walls in their house? Plus it would be cost prohibitive.
Posted by fishfighter
RIP
Member since Apr 2008
40026 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:56 am to
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Also, if you're worried about aesthetics, you could always go with the mini-split ceiling cassette style.


Which I will be installing in my guest house I am building. These units have very high seer rates. They run on 110V's. When running, sound level is no more then 56DB's.
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:59 am to
quote:

These units have very high seer rates


Excellent.

quote:

They run on 110V's.


Not so much.

You want a 240-volt system. It's going to be way more efficient than anything on 120.
Posted by Tyga Woods
South Central Jupiter Island, FL
Member since Sep 2016
42193 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:59 am to
Maybe a zoneline unit?
Posted by MojoGuyPan
Intercession City, Florida
Member since Jun 2018
2797 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:21 am to
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I'm working with about 400sq feet and I'm getting recommendations for ductless but I don't know anything about it. The cost seems to be about the same.


If you're in southern Louisiana or Texas mini-splits are going to suck. Go for a simple window unit for that space.

A mini-split system isn't going to be able to keep up with the heat, a window unit can and is cheaper.

Mini-splits are a good choice further up north where you aren't contending with so much heat. Colorado, Nor-Cal, Oregon, Washington etc.

You'll be frustrated in SEC country with one of those.
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