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re: Does anybody else find haggling to be trashy?
Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:08 pm to Kujo
Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:08 pm to Kujo
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Isn't the strength of negotiations the ability to walk away?
If you want to walk away, that’s fine too. It’s the job of the salesman to have a product that’s quality enough to command a fair price. There are a lot of other costs that come into effect. You negotiate to arrive at a price you can both live with.
If it’s a scam it’s a scam, but if it’s quality then you aren’t being scammed.
And if it’s something you’ll be in the market for again it’s good business to make the sales experience a positive one.
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Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:08 pm to Kujo
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If you want to sell something put a price and if nobody wants it then you drop the price,
You raise your prices.Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:08 pm to Kujo
I think it’s cultural.
If you haggle, it suggest you care too much about money. And money is venal. It also suggests you’re tight with money, which makes you look cheap and insecure.
We’re supposed to have a I don’t give a damn attitude, easy come and easy go, attitude toward money.
Haggling also assumes that one party is trying to screw the other over ... so you’re looking at low trust cultures, or resource poor cultures, that have a zero sum attitude vs a win win attitude.
If you haggle, it suggest you care too much about money. And money is venal. It also suggests you’re tight with money, which makes you look cheap and insecure.
We’re supposed to have a I don’t give a damn attitude, easy come and easy go, attitude toward money.
Haggling also assumes that one party is trying to screw the other over ... so you’re looking at low trust cultures, or resource poor cultures, that have a zero sum attitude vs a win win attitude.
This post was edited on 5/7/21 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:09 pm to Kujo
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love walking away and saying no even as they drop the price less than it's worth just to get the sale. And at the end I typically say I will never buy this from you, I am no longer interested.
So you let your emotions, in this specific case irrational, keep you from getting what you want at a deal that greatly benefits you. I'm not sure this is the moral mountaintop you think it is.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:11 pm to Jay Are
I'm gonna give Kujo the benefit of the doubt and assume he's just trolling. Otherwise, SMH. 
Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:12 pm to Korkstand
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How do you think what something is "worth" is arrived at?
If you put apples at a dollar a pound, and sales are slow, you drop the price to 85 cents and reevaluate based on sales at $0.85.
I'm talking about a replicable sales price, not a dynamic and variable one each and every transaction
Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:14 pm to Kujo
nobody is haggling at retail outlets, cheapbaw
Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:15 pm to Jay Are
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So you let your emotions, in this specific case irrational, keep you from getting what you want at a deal that greatly benefits you. I'm not sure this is the moral mountaintop you think it is.
A lot of moral items are based on the overall population accepting the higher moral standard. The Golden rule if you will.
Hence the title, haggling and people who like it seem to be selfish trash, unable to understand the overall harmful effects to the general population of constant haggling and hustlin' to get someone to pay more than it's worth.
"Go ahead and lie to everybody, It's a great tool!"
This post was edited on 5/7/21 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:17 pm to Kujo
quote:So why the frick did you ask him what he wanted for it instead of just telling him what you'd pay for it?
My anger comes from a parking space that a guy hasn't been using in 2 years. I asked him what he wanted for it He said $800 a month. I said no. Then he says $400, I say no, 300, no thank you, $200.
Screw you, I would have paid $300 but I don't want to deal with the scumbag, and he's now upset that I won't take it for $200, saying that I want it for free.
I find haggling distasteful and don't ever want to do business with a piece of f****** s*** who would haggle.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:17 pm to Kujo
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If you put apples at a dollar a pound, and sales are slow, you drop the price to 85 cents and reevaluate based on sales at $0.85
You’re talking about a perishable good here. Depends on your customer demand, how long your product stays good, how reliable your product stream is, your other revenue streams.
You sell at what you can get for it. If dropping the price will stimulate other sales, or move your product, you make that gamble.
Man you have no concept of markets do you?
Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:18 pm to Kujo
It depends. I haggle with Cox all the time and don’t find that trashy.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:21 pm to Kujo
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Hence the title, haggling and people who like it seem to be selfish trash, unable to understand the overall harmful effects to the general population of constant haggling and hustlin' to get someone to pay more than it's worth
Why are you the arbiter of what it’s worth? What if he’s got other prospective buyers?
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"Go ahead and lie to everybody, It's a great tool!"
How is it a lie? He’s put an asking price. You want it for less. It’s his item, he can drop it if he wants, hold out for another buyer, or let it go for less if he wants the quick sale.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:22 pm to Kujo
quote:You're comparing apples to fricking parking spaces.
If you put apples at a dollar a pound, and sales are slow, you drop the price to 85 cents and reevaluate based on sales at $0.85.
I'm talking about a replicable sales price, not a dynamic and variable one each and every transaction
It costs time (money) to negotiate/haggle, but for relatively low volume and high ticket items that's just the way it has to be. Big markets, commodity items, supply and demand settles on prices pretty quickly so you just don't notice the negotiating that takes place. You're trying to buy a parking space, supplies are limited. We don't go to the store and pick up a few parking spaces. Nobody, neither buyers nor sellers, has any idea how much a particular space is worth until two people settle on a price.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:23 pm to fr33manator
Fine a rock, you sell pet rocks.
You put them on your sales display for $10 a piece and do you sell two all day.
So you drop it to $8 the next day and you sold three.
Seeing you're not making the sales that you were hoping, you put drop the price to $5 and all of a sudden you get 50 people who buy it.
So instead of just selling them for $5 where you make your money....
"I'm going to go back to $10 But put the sticker on the bottom so they Don't see the price until they touch it. Then when I see them touch it and put it down I'll start a conversation oh that's a great rock this the best of rock you ever buy my friend trust me trust me the best rock in the whole world of that one.... I'll give you a discount my friend a discount I give it $8 how about that you buy $8... No okay don't worry I give you the best deal ever $6 for this rock that's what I lose my money I lose my money selling for $6."
When the guy buys it for 6 you pat yourself on the back because you got an extra dollar?
You put them on your sales display for $10 a piece and do you sell two all day.
So you drop it to $8 the next day and you sold three.
Seeing you're not making the sales that you were hoping, you put drop the price to $5 and all of a sudden you get 50 people who buy it.
So instead of just selling them for $5 where you make your money....
"I'm going to go back to $10 But put the sticker on the bottom so they Don't see the price until they touch it. Then when I see them touch it and put it down I'll start a conversation oh that's a great rock this the best of rock you ever buy my friend trust me trust me the best rock in the whole world of that one.... I'll give you a discount my friend a discount I give it $8 how about that you buy $8... No okay don't worry I give you the best deal ever $6 for this rock that's what I lose my money I lose my money selling for $6."
When the guy buys it for 6 you pat yourself on the back because you got an extra dollar?
Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:30 pm to Korkstand
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why the frick did you ask him what he wanted for it instead of just telling him what you'd pay for it?
It's his product, I'm not going to insult him.
I asked him how much, He said something too high, and I don't want to buy it.
Transaction's complete
Why is he giving me counter counter and counter offers?
If I wanted to pay $300, and he said 350 and he maybe even four from the start, I might have said okay but that would have been my choice. When he started out at 800, I wouldn't piss on him to put him out if he was on fire. Dead to me
Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:32 pm to Kujo
quote:Yeah.
When the guy buys it for 6 you pat yourself on the back because you got an extra dollar?
Everyone has their own idea of what something is worth. Optimal pricing is to get as much from each customer as they're willing to pay. The only reason we don't haggle at the grocery store and the like is because it's not efficient, and firm pricing is the optimal strategy when volume is high.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:34 pm to Kujo
quote:I'm sure he was a big boy and wouldn't have cried about it.
It's his product, I'm not going to insult him.
quote:Probably because he was confused as frick. He thought you wanted to buy the space. Silly him.
I asked him how much, He said something too high, and I don't want to buy it.
Transaction's complete
Why is he giving me counter counter and counter offers?
Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:36 pm to Kujo
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Fine a rock, you sell pet rocks.
Okay, so it’s rocks. and because I am a savvy businessman, I don’t have a few. I have hundreds. (But you don’t know that because I’m going to create an air of scarcity) And these aren’t just rocks, not even pet rocks...these are geological companions.
I’m going to have them be unique, and when a prospective buyer comes up, I’m going to give them the spiel.
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You put them on your sales display for $10 a piece and do you sell two all day. So you drop it to $8 the next day and you sold three.
Wrong. Look, you can get your standard pet rock for $6. $5 if you buy 3 or more.
Or if you are more discerning customer you can get our deluxe model, it’s got Googly eyes. That’s 10$
Now, if you want something really impressive you’ll want our top of the line ultra rare one of a kind Mineral Minstrel. He’s got a name and comes with a certificate. That’s 20$ You’ll have it and none of your friends can get it, it’s a collectors item.
Then they’ll be jealous and want one of their own.
They’ll want the whole series.
You MAKE sales. You create a market.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:36 pm to Kujo
This post was edited on 5/7/21 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:38 pm to Kujo
I’ll knock a Hagler out like Sugar Ray Leonards.
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