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re: Do you work in I.T.? If yes, what capacity?
Posted on 5/15/23 at 8:43 pm to Pechon
Posted on 5/15/23 at 8:43 pm to Pechon
quote:100% this.
Come to the dark side of sales engineering. You already have a background in management and business processes. Can you bullshite your way through a tech demo?
It's lucrative, flexible, and plenty of opportunity to further your career. The downside is the rat race in chasing deals and certifications. It can be very stressful but it's a high risk, high reward path.
I manage defense & government sales for my employer and global sales for a specific product group and have cornered a niche area of business for my employer that five years ago was miniscule, maybe $100k in business. This year alone, I have five different clients that combined business between them will account for a little over $10 million this year, but over the next ten years these five businesses should account for over $250 million. I won't be there to see the largest chunk of business, because I may retire as soon as this year, maybe even this quarter. Doesn't mean I'll be walking away immediately. The company does not have a good replacement, so they'll try to talk me into staying and training my replacement, and I get to tell them how much that's going to cost them for me to stay awhile longer. After I retire, I'm hanging up my consultant shingle, and will gladly help them or their competition at a nice, fat contract rate.
This post was edited on 5/15/23 at 8:44 pm
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 8:44 pm to HubbaBubba
Can I have your job? You can train me
Posted on 5/15/23 at 8:45 pm to Naked Bootleg
I use pyTest, PyCharm, and Jupyter Notebooks to make my job seem harder than it really is
Posted on 5/15/23 at 8:52 pm to BigD43
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I am networking+ and security+ certified. Still no interviews
Probably because those are pretty worthless certs. Network+ is an absolute waste of money, some places find security+ useful.
You really need CCNA minimum to get a Networking job. Dedicated VMware/Microsoft server certs for sys admin
Posted on 5/15/23 at 8:53 pm to deeprig9
OT/ICS is a deal, but I don't think it's a big deal. Now, I suggest everyone in IT work at a job that involves production (production of stuff) to learn the basic lessons. Whatever you do or don't do:
1)Product must ship
2)People must get paid
3)People can't get hurt
It puts into perspective how to properly assess risk in non-production (not energy, chemicals, patient facing health care), etc. For a long term strategy, I don't think it's great, because nobody cares if the PLC hasn't had a security patch in 15 years. The unit is running, and ops is getting the telemetry they need. Windows 95 is running the testing equipment, but it works.
Now, a good IT baw will say, OK, this is why we need ZeroTrust/Micro-segmentation/etc. (old dudes used to call this the principle of least privilege.) There will be no budget for this, and nobody wants to risk IT doing something even during a turnaround.
The principle is similar for retail between Black Friday and the middle of January. Touch a thing, and you're wrecked. Maintenance window for airlines? Never! (Looking at you Southwest!)
In the end, I'd probably say Security is the nearly golden ticket. But security isn't really technical, it's about risk management, and communicating business risks based on things that nobody really understands outside of you and the engineers you talked to.
1)Product must ship
2)People must get paid
3)People can't get hurt
It puts into perspective how to properly assess risk in non-production (not energy, chemicals, patient facing health care), etc. For a long term strategy, I don't think it's great, because nobody cares if the PLC hasn't had a security patch in 15 years. The unit is running, and ops is getting the telemetry they need. Windows 95 is running the testing equipment, but it works.
Now, a good IT baw will say, OK, this is why we need ZeroTrust/Micro-segmentation/etc. (old dudes used to call this the principle of least privilege.) There will be no budget for this, and nobody wants to risk IT doing something even during a turnaround.
The principle is similar for retail between Black Friday and the middle of January. Touch a thing, and you're wrecked. Maintenance window for airlines? Never! (Looking at you Southwest!)
In the end, I'd probably say Security is the nearly golden ticket. But security isn't really technical, it's about risk management, and communicating business risks based on things that nobody really understands outside of you and the engineers you talked to.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 8:56 pm to Friscodog
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I got my degree in M.I.S. from La Tech and have been in this my entire career. I've changed industries from Insurance, to O&G to airline, but the job has remained basically the same
what year did you graduate from Tech? ‘08 for me.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 8:57 pm to deeprig9
More like 5 years, but yeah that is the model for everyone still selling hardware these days.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:00 pm to Klark Kent
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what year did you graduate from Tech? ‘08 for me.
Decent experience at Tech? That's on my youngest kid's list in a few years if she just does TOPS. She's a borderline academic scholarship kid. I don't know much about it tbh.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:10 pm to fallguy_1978
was great for me. not sure if i was emotionally mature enough to stay in my home town (BR), go to college, juggle a part time job, and everything else involved in college life. Tech forced me to focus. I was there for school and school only. In and out in less 4 years (advantage of the quarter system).
Might be a little different nowadays, but all that was there was a Walmart, Chilis, and a couple of bars when i was there. You had to drive to Shreveport or Monroe for more…entertainment.
Might be a little different nowadays, but all that was there was a Walmart, Chilis, and a couple of bars when i was there. You had to drive to Shreveport or Monroe for more…entertainment.
This post was edited on 5/15/23 at 9:12 pm
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:11 pm to Naked Bootleg
I am an SE. that means sales/system/security/senior engineer depending on the day.
My company works as a VAR for K12 in TX/LA.
I sell/consult/install install firewalls, web filtering, endpoint security, and backup solutions. Palo Alto, Crowdstrike, BitDefender, and Cohesity type stuff.
I ended up here by accident. I hated my job in food service my first year of college and started applying for any and all jobs on campus. IT department as a computer technician was the first to call me in for an interview. I liked video games and helped around in HS in computers in their very early days in the late 90s.
Got the job and got promoted in a year for working moderately harder than my fellow student workers. Became a sysadmin and was in charge of the entire AD infrastructure for a D2 college. In 6 months I was also the blackboard admin. Stupid of them to let me have that much power but this was the Wild West days of the early 2000s. By the time I graduated, my 6 years (paid for my own school as I went) of experience was more valuable than my Communication degree.
Left that and got into networking and worked at a few K12 network coordinator jobs till I moved over to the private sector to help schools and make more money.
On the side, I’m in house IT (which I F’ing hate) for our company and our Salesforce admin. I really really hate Salesforce work but I’m the best at Boolean logic and programming.
To date myself, my first day on the job in IT was migrating computers from Novell for Windows AD server 2000. My first firewall was a Cisco PIX.
My company works as a VAR for K12 in TX/LA.
I sell/consult/install install firewalls, web filtering, endpoint security, and backup solutions. Palo Alto, Crowdstrike, BitDefender, and Cohesity type stuff.
I ended up here by accident. I hated my job in food service my first year of college and started applying for any and all jobs on campus. IT department as a computer technician was the first to call me in for an interview. I liked video games and helped around in HS in computers in their very early days in the late 90s.
Got the job and got promoted in a year for working moderately harder than my fellow student workers. Became a sysadmin and was in charge of the entire AD infrastructure for a D2 college. In 6 months I was also the blackboard admin. Stupid of them to let me have that much power but this was the Wild West days of the early 2000s. By the time I graduated, my 6 years (paid for my own school as I went) of experience was more valuable than my Communication degree.
Left that and got into networking and worked at a few K12 network coordinator jobs till I moved over to the private sector to help schools and make more money.
On the side, I’m in house IT (which I F’ing hate) for our company and our Salesforce admin. I really really hate Salesforce work but I’m the best at Boolean logic and programming.
To date myself, my first day on the job in IT was migrating computers from Novell for Windows AD server 2000. My first firewall was a Cisco PIX.
This post was edited on 5/15/23 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:13 pm to LemmyLives
Don’t delve in option 3.
Working for government agencies is cumbersome. I’ll do a quote for a prison that should take 4 hours and it will turn into a 20 hour job, with late charges for change requests.A flock of them will keep your ledger red.
Working for government agencies is cumbersome. I’ll do a quote for a prison that should take 4 hours and it will turn into a 20 hour job, with late charges for change requests.A flock of them will keep your ledger red.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:14 pm to fallguy_1978
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Decent experience at Tech?
Depends on the field (this is early 90s age stuff.) Ruston sucks, full stop. This means there's a lot of drunk driving back and forth to Monroe. Depending on where she lives in town, there can be the distinct paper mill stench that you get in places like Bogalusa. Every resident in Ruston tolerated the college kids to one extent or another, even though the population doubled when college was in session.
One of my CS professors was solely responsible for me switching to a different major. There was a final question which asked what the output of a string of commands was. I correctly identified the numbers that the small program would spit out, but I didn't know that it was the Fibonacci sequence (again, I'm a freshman), so I got the question marked wrong, which impacted my final grade in the class. Yeah, like LSU football, it never should have come down to that. If the next three years of my life was going to be this dude trying to play stump the chump, I wanted no part of it.
On the bright side, there are a crap town of squirrels in the quad, and the drive up 167 was nice back in the day.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:17 pm to Klark Kent
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what year did you graduate from Tech? ‘08 for me.
1987 Yes, I'm old..
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:17 pm to LemmyLives
We have listed a few in state and out of state schools she might potentially attend depending on how things shake out JR and SR year of HS.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:23 pm to 3nOut
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To date myself, my first day on the job in IT was migrating computers from Novell for Windows AD server 2000
This was my first big IT project as well.
Novell NetWare was like rats on a ship when AD came out
This post was edited on 5/15/23 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:27 pm to fallguy_1978
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This was my first big IT project as well.
I had absolutely 0 idea what either were. I got sent to a lab with instructions to uninstall this thing and then reboot, hit “start,” right click “my computer,”properties, then join domain, and type this username and password.
Between that and entering a windows licensing key 1000+ times deploying XP, some things just get burned into your brain.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:28 pm to 3nOut
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Novell NetWare was like rats on a ship when AD came out
It made 0 sense to keep using it after a native user management system came out.
I still had a customer on it as of 5 years ago.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:35 pm to Pechon
Just started in sales for an IT company. It’s not a bad gig as long as you know how to bullshite enough
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:37 pm to 3nOut
I started working in IT in 1998, full time in 2000. The last time I encountered Novell was maybe 2005.
I did a lot of MS Exchange work back then too but I don't really remember much of it
I did a lot of MS Exchange work back then too but I don't really remember much of it
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:41 pm to fallguy_1978
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The last time I encountered Novell was maybe 2005.
I decommissioned my last server in early '01. Went full AD from then on.
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