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re: Do you think Great Apes could eventually evolve enough to have their own Stone Age?
Posted on 6/23/25 at 4:49 pm to SPAGHETTI PLATE
Posted on 6/23/25 at 4:49 pm to SPAGHETTI PLATE
If true, why did it stop?
Surely when we moved into Neanderthals and Denisovans phase, the Homo heidelbergensis and Genus Australopithecus didnt just say "OK, they got there first. Lets just lay here and die"? Why would they go extinct suddenly after they evolved to the highest form of humankind to that point. And in sufficient numbers that a drought, pandemic, volcanic eruption didnt kill them off prior to evolving
Can you imagine Sapiens dying off after a new species evolving from us? We arent just going to forget food production, medical treatments, water sourcing, etc
Wouldnt they have continued to reproduce and evolve despite the timeline of the Homo sapiens? I mean, the great apes are still here
Surely when we moved into Neanderthals and Denisovans phase, the Homo heidelbergensis and Genus Australopithecus didnt just say "OK, they got there first. Lets just lay here and die"? Why would they go extinct suddenly after they evolved to the highest form of humankind to that point. And in sufficient numbers that a drought, pandemic, volcanic eruption didnt kill them off prior to evolving
Can you imagine Sapiens dying off after a new species evolving from us? We arent just going to forget food production, medical treatments, water sourcing, etc
Wouldnt they have continued to reproduce and evolve despite the timeline of the Homo sapiens? I mean, the great apes are still here
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Posted on 6/23/25 at 5:51 pm to RobbBobb
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Wouldnt they have continued to reproduce and evolve despite the timeline of the Homo sapiens? I mean, the great apes are still here
I give up again.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 6:13 pm to ATrillionaire
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I give up again.
I understand why
What happened to the earlier ancestors of mankind? Because they ALL didnt evolve. And if they died off, then whatever killed them, was also likely to have ended the entire line.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 6:19 pm to RobbBobb
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What happened to the earlier ancestors of mankind? Because they ALL didnt evolve.
They were beta versions. Just god dicking around, obvs.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 6:20 pm to RobbBobb
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If true, why did it stop?
Evolution stopped on January 26th 10,547 B.C.
This question from evolution opponents has always made me laugh.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 6:24 pm to RobbBobb
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If true, why did it stop?
Why do you think evolution stopped?
There are plenty of examples of evolution in the past 5/10/20 years. Human evolution has stifled because we don't have any reproductive competitive.
Other animals have evolved to be better at avoiding us.
This post was edited on 6/23/25 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 6/23/25 at 6:29 pm to Howyouluhdat
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So just some of it is true then.
I suppose. Just like any other historical text.
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It’s the parts you don’t agree with that aren’t true because that’s what you are saying. What evidence are you looking for?
It's kind of difficult to provide evidence of religious beliefs right? Again, why should I choose the Bible as the source of religious truth when other religious texts also contain references to actual historical events?
Posted on 6/23/25 at 6:34 pm to Mo Jeaux
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This question from evolution opponents has always made me laugh.
Its a pretty simple equation. If you have X number of entries in an endurance race, the others dont stop and die beside their cars once the first car crosses the finish line
They would have still been alive, and evolving, and their fossils would have left a huge footprint. Yet they didnt. They were here 900,000 (4x longer than we have) and yet barely left a trace. And then disappeared as a species.
Lulz
Posted on 6/23/25 at 6:37 pm to Corinthians420
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Why do you think evolution stopped?
Because I see humans and no yet other humanoid species currently.
So every single species in our lineage evolved into us. Not a single line "got stuck". Despite living for a million years as that species, they suddenly vanished
Seems unlikely
Posted on 6/23/25 at 6:46 pm to RobbBobb
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Its a pretty simple equation. If you have X number of entries in an endurance race, the others dont stop and die beside their cars once the first car crosses the finish line
They would have still been alive, and evolving, and their fossils would have left a huge footprint. Yet they didnt. They were here 900,000 (4x longer than we have) and yet barely left a trace. And then disappeared as a species.
Lulz
Truly astounding logic.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 6:52 pm to RobbBobb
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Because I see humans and no yet other humanoid species currently.
So every single species in our lineage evolved into us. Not a single line "got stuck". Despite living for a million years as that species, they suddenly vanished
Seems unlikely
Homo sapien men stumbled upon some fine Neanderthal arse, killed their husbands and sons, and pounded the Neanderthal out of their bloodline.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 7:12 pm to Mo Jeaux
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I suppose. Just like any other historical text.
So what in your mind is fictitious?
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It's kind of difficult to provide evidence of religious beliefs right?
Im not arguing about religious beliefs, it’s actual optical testimony from a lot of different people in different regions. You realize the resurrection was witnessed by 300-500 people over a number of days right? Thousands of people witnessed hundreds of miracles performed by Jesus. If just one is correct then that should tell you something. Even the Qur’an acknowledges Jesus’ miracles and some are not in the Bible
Posted on 6/23/25 at 7:14 pm to Howyouluhdat
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You realize the resurrection was witnessed by 300-500 people over a number of days right? Thousands of people witnessed hundreds of miracles performed by Jesus. If just one is correct then that should tell you something.
Because the Bible tells me so…
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Even the Qur’an acknowledges Jesus’ miracles and some are not in the Bible
So the Koran is also true?
Covert infidel!
Posted on 6/23/25 at 7:21 pm to SPAGHETTI PLATE
This has been a pretty entertaining thread.
Can I ask our evolution deniers how they feel about flat earth and the moon landing too?
Can I ask our evolution deniers how they feel about flat earth and the moon landing too?
Posted on 6/23/25 at 7:22 pm to Philzilla2k
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Because the Bible tells me so…
What’s funny about atheist, and I’ve heard many stories like this, the minute they are in a life or death situation they cry out to a higher power.
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So the Koran is also true?
lol what?
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:04 pm to Howyouluhdat
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Im not arguing about religious beliefs, it’s actual optical testimony from a lot of different people in different regions. You realize the resurrection was witnessed by 300-500 people over a number of days right? Thousands of people witnessed hundreds of miracles performed by Jesus. If just one is correct then that should tell you something. Even the Qur’an acknowledges Jesus’ miracles and some are not in the Bible
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:06 pm to Howyouluhdat
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What’s funny about atheist, and I’ve heard many stories like this, the minute they are in a life or death situation they cry out to a higher power.
Probably the higher power described in their religious upbringing.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:35 pm to Howyouluhdat
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What’s funny about atheist, and I’ve heard many stories like this, the minute they are in a life or death situation they cry out to a higher power.
Whats funny about Christians us they treat other people like shite and still believe their fairy tale God will forgive them as long as they ask him to before they die.
Hell i could shoot you in the kneecap today and ask for forgiveness tomorrow and according to the church id be going to heaven just the same as if i didn't shoot u
This post was edited on 6/23/25 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:05 pm to SPAGHETTI PLATE
Our species is one of the great apes, so we know it can happen. However, the influences on our evolution were sequential and may not be repeatable since evolution is purely random. B does not necessarily follow A, in other words.
Our ancestors were a member of a group of hominids that branched from a common ancestor, one of which were the hominins that included our direct ancestors. This happened about 7 million years ago when a hominid began to walk upright.
That was the first of the major steps that led to us. Next came a big brain, one that helped our ancestors make use of the newly freed-up front appendages which evolved into arms and hands. With this combination, we advanced to near the top of the food chain. By 300,000 years ago, we were modern humans by all appearances. We had just one more step to take.
The critical evolutionary step that propelled our species to domination of all other life on earth happened about 60,000 years ago when “a light came on” in our big brains. For the first time, a species became completely self-aware and began to use symbolism, language and sophisticated reasoning to interact with its environment and with each other. Modern humans appeared on earth.
Now, was this sequence of dramatic changes in our biology due to adaptation, natural selection or genetic mutations? The upright walking definitely seems to have been adaption to a changing environment, and the big brains could have come about as a consequence of the rich use of the hands; an explosion of possibilities for their use demanded more brain power which caused the bigger brain.
The last big step, I think, could only have been the result of a mutation. It was an extreme change, which usually only happens via mutation in a species. As the human population began to grow, this mutation produced a human who was vastly different to those of his kin, one who was so mentally superior to others that he and his progeny quickly became the dominant type, and modern humans appeared.
Getting back to the question at hand, I very much don’t think this sequence could happen again naturally. The odds are too great, especially for the mutation that gave us modern minds.
Could it happen in another primate or another species? I think it could with human or AI involvement. Should it?
Our ancestors were a member of a group of hominids that branched from a common ancestor, one of which were the hominins that included our direct ancestors. This happened about 7 million years ago when a hominid began to walk upright.
That was the first of the major steps that led to us. Next came a big brain, one that helped our ancestors make use of the newly freed-up front appendages which evolved into arms and hands. With this combination, we advanced to near the top of the food chain. By 300,000 years ago, we were modern humans by all appearances. We had just one more step to take.
The critical evolutionary step that propelled our species to domination of all other life on earth happened about 60,000 years ago when “a light came on” in our big brains. For the first time, a species became completely self-aware and began to use symbolism, language and sophisticated reasoning to interact with its environment and with each other. Modern humans appeared on earth.
Now, was this sequence of dramatic changes in our biology due to adaptation, natural selection or genetic mutations? The upright walking definitely seems to have been adaption to a changing environment, and the big brains could have come about as a consequence of the rich use of the hands; an explosion of possibilities for their use demanded more brain power which caused the bigger brain.
The last big step, I think, could only have been the result of a mutation. It was an extreme change, which usually only happens via mutation in a species. As the human population began to grow, this mutation produced a human who was vastly different to those of his kin, one who was so mentally superior to others that he and his progeny quickly became the dominant type, and modern humans appeared.
Getting back to the question at hand, I very much don’t think this sequence could happen again naturally. The odds are too great, especially for the mutation that gave us modern minds.
Could it happen in another primate or another species? I think it could with human or AI involvement. Should it?
Posted on 6/23/25 at 11:11 pm to RobbBobb
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every single species in our lineage evolved into us. Not a single line "got stuck".
Do you even denisovan? They def got stuck and are now extinct. So did homo erectus. We are a spinoff species. It isnt like when the first homo sapien was born there were no more homo heidelbergensis being born. We had a competitive advantage and persisted while they dwindled and eventually couldn't reproduce.
There were multiple homonoid species living side by side for thousands of years. We are just the one that survived.
This post was edited on 6/23/25 at 11:14 pm
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