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re: Do you think Daniel Holtzclaw is guilty?
Posted on 4/5/17 at 9:14 am to Bamagirl15
Posted on 4/5/17 at 9:14 am to Bamagirl15
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. I think some of the claims are sketchy but how did the one woman's DNA get inside his pants?
That was the strongest evidence against him, imo, but considering any officer's close proximity to & handling of someone he frisks, cuffs, etc, it's reasonable to expect he's going to possibly & even probably have that individual's DNA on him, particularly his hands. The officer's explanation in this case is that he took a bathroom break after his encounter with this particular female & got her DNA on his fly when he unzipped/zipped. It seemed reasonable to me, especially because only one of these female's DNA was found on him out of 13. ... And I do believe racial concerns were absolutely a factor in this case.
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Posted on 4/5/17 at 9:18 am to MasterofTigerBait
Posted on 4/5/17 at 9:18 am to Arkla Missy
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ID has been exceptionally overly liberally slanted in their line-up of shows. Kinda pissing me off.
fricking snowflakes are on both sides of the aisle. Everyone is so sensitive because of the political climate that project on everything.
It's no different than it was before.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 9:19 am to okietiger
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He was a different person on steroids.
he definitely seemed to be on some performance enhancers
Posted on 4/5/17 at 9:29 am to slapahoe
He was big in high school and bigger at Eastern Michigan.
But then he absolute blew up overnight around the time he became a cop. I mean absolutely massive.
But then he absolute blew up overnight around the time he became a cop. I mean absolutely massive.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 9:29 am to tigerpimpbot
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Which ones out of curiousity? I've been watching Murder chose me. That detective from Shreveport seems like a pretty good dude. And murder comes to town. I think another one is A murder to remember (which I can't remember the title lulz). I haven't noticed too much politicizing on those.
The individual detective programs like the one you're talking about and also the one with Kenda from CO are good programs. They're straightforward stories of the detectives' experiences based on facts. The ones I'm referring to being more slanted are the ones from Dateline, 20/20, etc, in which opinions are heavily inserted. Also, the Vanity Fair program is very un-objective. ID has been airing reruns of the more 'liberally slanted' episodes of many of these particular series for the past couple of months. Unfortunately, I've become sort of an ID addict for the past year or so, so I've seen many of the subjective Dateline, 20/20, etc shows before, and there's definitely been a pattern of which ones ID has been airing for the past couple of months in re the victimology & 'evil white male and/or crooked cop' subject matter. ... I wish they would have more of the real detective programs. The one with the group of detectives from Nola which just ended its season was a really good one.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 9:32 am to slapahoe
Good points! I'll have to research it more. The most prominent citizens are capable of doing the worst things.
Someone mentioned Avery, I think he's innocent. Same with the WM3 in the 90s, that is a fascinating case.
Someone mentioned Avery, I think he's innocent. Same with the WM3 in the 90s, that is a fascinating case.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 9:40 am to TheCaterpillar
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It's no different than it was before.
No, it is different in re the reruns they've been airing the past couple of months of Dateline, 20/20, & the more subjective programs like that with definite political overtones & opinions inserted. The pattern of victimology, perpetrator, subject matter of these old programs they're airing are all very similar. I prefer the more factually based programs without political crap, opinions, & 'tones' inserted throughout.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 9:40 am to fightin tigers
quote:Like the fact that they found porn on his computer, and some BDSM stuff? OMG!
Remember how everyone thought the making a murderer guy was innocent until all the omitted facts came out?
Posted on 4/5/17 at 9:42 am to Bamagirl15
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Someone mentioned Avery, I think he's innocent.
Have you heard the other shite that wasn't in the doc?
Like he specifically asked for her? And he had previously harassed her? And he had drawings and designs of torture rooms in his possession?
I think he definitely did it and the cops planted evidence to make sure he was found guilty, which is fricked up, but I think unnecessary.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 9:45 am to buckeye_vol
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Like the fact that they found porn on his computer, and some BDSM stuff? OMG!
Lol no.
Way worse than that.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 9:49 am to TheCaterpillar
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- The documentary said that part of Avery's criminal past included animal cruelty. To my recollection, it didn't specify exactly what that animal cruelty was. I know that for some of our readers, knowing is enough to want to see Avery get the death sentence regardless of whether he murdered Halbach: He doused a cat in oil and threw it on a bonfire (this is not relevant to the murder trial, but it certainly diminishes the sympathy some of us felt for him).
-- Past criminal activity also included threatening a female relative at gunpoint.
-- In the months leading up to Halbach's disappearance, Avery had called Auto Trader several times and always specifically requested Halbach to come out and take the photos.
-- Halbach had complained to her boss that she didn't want to go out to Avery's trailer anymore, because once when she came out, Avery was waiting for her wearing only a towel (this was excluded for being too inflammatory). Avery clearly had an obsession with Halbach.
-- On the day that Halbach went missing, Avery had called her three times, twice from a *67 number to hide his identity.
-- The bullet with Halbach's DNA on it came from Avery's gun, which always hung above his bed.
-- Avery had purchased handcuffs and leg irons like the ones Dassey described holding Halbach only three weeks before (Avery said he's purchased them for use with his girlfriend, Jodi, with whom he'd had a tumultuous relationship
-- at one point, he was ordered by police to stay away from her for three days).
-- Here's the piece of evidence that was presented at trial but not in the series that I find most convincing: In Dassey's illegally obtained statement, Dassey stated that he helped Avery moved the RAV4 into the junkyard and that Avery had lifted the hood and removed the battery cable. Even if you believe that the blood in Halbach's car was planted by the cops (as I do), there was also non-blood DNA evidence on the hood latch. I don't believe the police would plant -- or know to plant -- that evidence.
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Posted on 4/5/17 at 12:38 pm to Arkla Missy
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The individual detective programs like the one you're talking about and also the one with Kenda from CO are good programs. They're straightforward stories of the detectives' experiences based on facts. The ones I'm referring to being more slanted are the ones from Dateline, 20/20, etc, in which opinions are heavily inserted. Also, the Vanity Fair program is very un-objective. ID has been airing reruns of the more 'liberally slanted' episodes of many of these particular series for the past couple of months. Unfortunately, I've become sort of an ID addict for the past year or so, so I've seen many of the subjective Dateline, 20/20, etc shows before, and there's definitely been a pattern of which ones ID has been airing for the past couple of months in re the victimology & 'evil white male and/or crooked cop' subject matter. ... I wish they would have more of the real detective programs. The one with the group of detectives from Nola which just ended its season was a really good one.
Gotcha. I don't catch many of the 20/20 or Datelines. I did watch that Keith Morrison Lehigh Valley one. That conviction was based on some shaky evidence. Keith Morrison's voice is pretty hilarious.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 1:01 pm to tigerpimpbot
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I did watch that Keith Morrison Lehigh Valley one. That conviction was based on some shaky evidence
I saw the last half of this & should've recorded it. I'd love to see the whole program; was pretty interesting. And I agree, just from what I saw, it certainly wasn't a slam dunk case.
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Keith Morrison's voice is pretty hilarious.
Haha, he has a great voice for these types of programs; love his smug/condescending tone when he thinks something is bullshite.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 1:03 pm to Kafka
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anyone named Holtzclaw has got to be guilty
If it were Holtzclawsby, he'd deserve the death penalty.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 1:46 pm to No Colors
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The clinching evidence was the GPS tracker in his police car. Most of the women told stories about being driven to out-of-the-way places where he told them to blow him, and he wouldn't take them to jail. When they went back and looked at his GPS tracker, several of those incidents and locations matched up perfectly with his GPS.
He's guilty as frick.
Didn't he finally get busted because he picked out a credible victim (high school honor student with no criminal record and no history of drug use)?
Posted on 4/5/17 at 5:21 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Didn't he finally get busted because he picked out a credible victim (high school honor student with no criminal record and no history of drug use)?
Yeah. She happened to be driving through a bad neighborhood and he pulled her over. But he was off duty an he didnt log into the system or tell dispatch he was going back on duty. She went straight to the cops and reported him.
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