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re: Do you have a concealed & carry license?
Posted on 7/24/15 at 9:51 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 7/24/15 at 9:51 am to Darth_Vader
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dozens of panicked people all stampeding for the other exit, how quickly do you think you'll be able to get out?
How quickly and how many innocent bystanders will you shoot up trying to play hero in this same scenario.
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 9:52 am to CarRamrod
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Movie theaters are not on Louisiana's list of the 10 places you can not carry.
Individual businesses can prohibit the carrying of firearms.
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N. No concealed handgun may be carried into and no concealed handgun permit issued
pursuant to this Section shall authorize or entitle a permittee to carry a concealed handgun in any
of the following:
(1) A law enforcement office, station, or building.
(2) A detention facility, prison, or jail.
(3) A courthouse or courtroom, provided that a judge may carry such a weapon in his
own courtroom.
(4) A polling place.
(5) A meeting place of the governing authority of a political subdivision.
(6) The state capitol building.
(7) Any portion of an airport facility where the carrying of firearms is prohibited under
federal law, except that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the
terminal, if the firearm is encased for shipment, for the purpose of checking such firearm as
lawful baggage.
(8) Any church, synagogue, mosque, or other similar place of worship, eligible for
qualification as a tax-exempt organization under 26 U.S.C. 501, except as provided for in
Subsection U of this Section.
(9) A parade or demonstration for which a permit is issued by a governmental entity.
(10) Any portion of the permitted area of an establishment that has been granted a Class
A-General retail permit, as defined in Part II of Chapter 1 or Part II of Chapter 2 of Title 26 of
the Louisiana Revised Statutes of 1950, to sell alcoholic beverages for consumption on the
premises.
(11) Any school, school campus, or school bus as defined in R.S. 14:95.6.
O. The provisions of Subsection N of this Section shall not limit the right of a property
owner, lessee, or other lawful custodian to prohibit or restrict access of those persons possessing
a concealed handgun pursuant to a permit issued under this Section. No individual to whom a
concealed handgun permit is issued may carry such concealed handgun into the private residence
of another without first receiving the consent of that person.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 9:52 am to mattz1122
You admit that you carry. You don't want to live in a world where every "jackass" "Olive Garden Rambo" can carry. The tone of your comment is very jackassery.
Ironic.
Ironic.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 9:53 am to Salmon
What scares me is that from the posts I've read here I figure the people that CC are more paranoid than the average person.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 9:54 am to Salmon
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I don't know. I'm just saying, in that very rare situation, my first reaction would be to flee.
You can throw all kinds of hypotheticals at me where I would probably be screwed without a gun. I just don't believe those hypotheticals occur enough to justify me carrying a gun on me at all times.
You do. And I have no problem with that.
And I can respect your decision. Carrying a firearm is a very serious matter and should not be taken lightly. Not everyone is cut out for it.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 9:54 am to TDsngumbo
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Do you have a concealed & carry license?
The 2nd Amendment is my conceal & carry license
Posted on 7/24/15 at 9:55 am to LesMiles BFF
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I'm 38. I've never been in a situation where I've needed a piece.
The chances of having it and something stupid happening are far greater than not having it and needing it.
I think that's also poor logic.
That's like someone saying they've been driving for 20 years and have never been in a wreck so they don't anticipate ever getting into a wreck. I guarantee almost all the people in that theater had never been in a situation where they needed a gun either.
Please don't take that as a comment against you personally.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 9:56 am to LesMiles BFF
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What scares me is that from the posts I've read here I figure the people that CC are more paranoid than the average person
I like to carry when I go to confession. Being in that small, dark, confessional makes me super cautious and on edge. And you NEVER know if an assassin killed my priest and is waiting for me on the other side.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 9:57 am to swanny297
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How quickly and how many innocent bystanders will you shoot up trying to play hero in this same scenario.
Come on man, we're talking serious professional here. These guys have taken a six hour class and get to the range a minimum of once a month, schedule permitting. If you don't think they'll be able to pull their wits together, draw, identify the target in a dark theater filled with people, and get shots on target, then you're sadly mistaken.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 9:57 am to Placebeaux
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The 2nd Amendment is my conceal & carry license
Good luck with that argument..
Posted on 7/24/15 at 9:59 am to TDsngumbo
never leave home with out it.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 9:59 am to upgrayedd
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I guarantee almost all the people in that theater had never been in a situation where they needed a gun either.
in a situation like last night, do you believe someone that was carrying would have saved any lives?
the gunmen stands up and starts shooting at those directly around him, how many rounds does he get off before someone carrying can gather themselves, clear all innocent bystanders and get a clean shot at him?
I'm just assuming the 2 that were killed were probably right next to him and hit with his first couple of shots
Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:01 am to swanny297
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How quickly and how many innocent bystanders will you shoot up trying to play hero in this same scenario.
I agree that this is a huge risk and I don't want anyone to think that loss of any human life is taken lightly.
However, these situations are a game of seconds and numbers. Risking hitting innocents while trying to neutralize a shooter can be an acceptable risk. Like I said before, making a shooter miss, move, hesitate could be the difference in saving the lives of many people.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:03 am to Salmon
Yeah, one thing you have to realize in that situation is you have two people carrying guns. One who doesn't care who he hurts, and a second who does care and doesn't want to hurt an innocent person. That fact alone puts the second person at a serious disadvantage.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:03 am to Salmon
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in a situation like last night, do you believe someone that was carrying would have saved any lives?
That's, of course, an impossible question for me to answer. But a person with training could have definitely had the ability to save lives. Absolutely.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:03 am to LesMiles BFF
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What scares me is that from the posts I've read here I figure the people that CC are more paranoid than the average person.
I haven't read every single post, but being paranoid shouldn't and does factor into it for me. Its matter of being able to defend myself if ever the situation should arise. I have deployed into a combat zone and have extensive training with firearms. I'm comfortable them but firearms aren't for everyone.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:04 am to terd ferguson
There should be different standards for invitees and licensees and different duties for property owners that invite the public for open commerce. In AL the law states that if you are going to forbid firearms you have to take additional security steps:
a person, including a person with a permit issued under Section 13A-11-75(a)(1) or recognized under Section 13A-11-85, may not, without the express permission of a person or entity with authority over the premises, knowingly possess or carry a firearm inside any building or facility to which access of unauthorized persons and prohibited articles is limited during normal hours of operation by the continuous posting of guards and the use of other security features, including, but not limited to, magnetometers, key cards, biometric screening devices, or turnstiles or other physical barriers.
a person, including a person with a permit issued under Section 13A-11-75(a)(1) or recognized under Section 13A-11-85, may not, without the express permission of a person or entity with authority over the premises, knowingly possess or carry a firearm inside any building or facility to which access of unauthorized persons and prohibited articles is limited during normal hours of operation by the continuous posting of guards and the use of other security features, including, but not limited to, magnetometers, key cards, biometric screening devices, or turnstiles or other physical barriers.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:04 am to upgrayedd
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That's like someone saying they've been driving for 20 years and have never been in a wreck so they don't anticipate ever getting into a wreck. I guarantee almost all the people in that theater had never been in a situation where they needed a gun either.
I just finished reading a book about applying mathematics to our thought process. One chapter was dedicated to the inability of our brains to understand really small or really big numbers.
For example when an airplane goes down everybody starts to worry about flying in airplanes when the chances of them being involved in a crash is extremely small. Yet we jump into cars every day.
Crashing a car has a high probability of happening. The chances of being caught in a theater shooting is even smaller than crashing in a plane.
A better comparison is carrying a gun because you may be attacked in public to wearing a parachute on every flight you take because you may crash.
This post was edited on 7/24/15 at 10:06 am
Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:04 am to Rickety Cricket
Why? A door lock is the appropriate tool to minimize the risk of a property crime. A firearm is the proper tool to lessen the chances of being the victim of violent crime.
Before you say one is much more likely to be a victim of a property crime than of a violent one, no kidding. No one here would argue that. But the ramifications of being a victim of one (losing jewelry or a TV) is much less than the other (death or serious bodily harm).
Before you say one is much more likely to be a victim of a property crime than of a violent one, no kidding. No one here would argue that. But the ramifications of being a victim of one (losing jewelry or a TV) is much less than the other (death or serious bodily harm).
Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:05 am to Salmon
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in a situation like last night, do you believe someone that was carrying would have saved any lives?
Luckily, last night this guy didn't bring multiple weapons and extra ammo. However, if he had, he could've killed many more people. While reloading, could someone pop him and save people? You better believe it.
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