- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Do you believe in the Fermi Paradox: The Great Filter?
Posted on 11/21/18 at 6:01 am to AMS
Posted on 11/21/18 at 6:01 am to AMS
quote:
am unaware of any species that specialize or even generally use a tactic of annihilating other species as self defense
Talk to a musk rat lately? How about a Native American?
Posted on 11/21/18 at 6:14 am to Soup Sammich
quote:
The fact that 2 cars can theoretically hit head-on but go right through each other without touching is mind blowing enough. But being theoretically possible to teleport could be a game changer in interstellar travel.
If we were able to develop a technology that allowed two cars about to hit each other change dimensions right before a crash, we would probably have the technology to teleport.
Teleportation might not work for people that have synthetic body parts. But again if we can teleport then maybe we can maybe grow organic body parts with DNA.
However, nothing will ever happen due to the opposition to such capabilities. Some will want to put that money into slums to help people that can't be helped. Others will have philosophical opposition for religious or other reasons.
Get this; I worked with a lady that totally opposed to anything that ventured off of this planet. She thought that the space shuttle was evil and basically thought that natural disasters were God's punishment for using such things.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 6:23 am to NOLA Brew Bus
quote:
The pryamids were built with technology we can’t even comprehend right now.
Science and archeology already figured it out. It was simply good ole human ingenuity combined with LOTS of muscle power and time.
There were no super technologically advanced civilizations in the far past. There were no aliens. There is zero evidence of it.
What some people can't comprehend is that humans are capable of quite a lot, even without narrow educations and pieces of paper telling them they're "smart."
Posted on 11/21/18 at 6:24 am to mailman
quote:
Its very likely that space has advanced civilizations but its less likely that they will vist us. We've only started to broadcast signals into space, if we wait 100k yrs then I'm sure we'll be visited. Our problem is that mankind is too destructive; we dont take care of each other, our planet and even space.
Why should we assume there are interstellar life forms who evolved to be less “destructive” than Homo sapiens?
Posted on 11/21/18 at 6:29 am to EA6B
The issue being that the bodies would need to pass through each other in less time than it takes for the sub atomic particle to either a. Vibrate into a position where a collision would be made (string ) or b. Have orbiting electrons run a course that cause collision
The quantum mechanics require all particles to be frozen in space-time for this ‘vast space’ to be existent
The quantum mechanics require all particles to be frozen in space-time for this ‘vast space’ to be existent
Posted on 11/21/18 at 6:37 am to Y.A. Tittle
Because a common theory is a species can't evolve to that level without being peaceful. War torn places like Africa don't evolve. It is counter productive. Anyway, if you could space travel, there is so many resources on non habitable planets you wouldn't need to kill things. And no one would waste the resources on bringing an army to another solar system.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 6:45 am to AUCE05
quote:
Because a common theory is a species can't evolve to that level without being peaceful. War torn places like Africa don't evolve. It is counter productive. Anyway, if you could space travel, there is so many resources on non habitable planets you wouldn't need to kill things. And no one would waste the resources on bringing an army to another solar system.
But he’s making the assumption that humans would never be able to so evolve due to some inherent destructive nature. What sort of different inherehent trait would a further evolved interstellar life form need to posses to get over this hurdle he’s assuming humans will never be able to overcome and why should we assume there is such a life form if we are assuming we could never evolve into such?
This post was edited on 11/21/18 at 6:48 am
Posted on 11/21/18 at 7:08 am to Y.A. Tittle
quote:
But he’s making the assumption that humans would never be able to so evolve due to some inherent destructive nature. What sort of different inherehent trait would a further evolved interstellar life form need to posses to get over this hurdle he’s assuming humans will never be able to overcome and why should we assume there is such a life form if we are assuming we could never evolve into such?
He's making the argument that the great filter weeds out warlike societies.. we could travel the stars but we are more concerned with bombing brown people.
Some interesting quotes from lockheed martin/skunkworks guys a few decades ago though..
Posted on 11/21/18 at 7:36 am to foshizzle
quote:
And "teleporting" across interstellar distances is even less likely than that. Source: Got my degree in Physics and Astronomy and spent far too much time doing homework calculating stuff like this. For subatomic particles yes this is a thing, anything larger and no it isn't.
Maybe just a few generations ago the absolute best minds in physics and science would have confidently said man going to space, or the moon, was impossible.
Might be unlikely now, to our (your) tiny minds, but who knows?
Posted on 11/21/18 at 7:42 am to Soup Sammich
People from all over the world, from citizens to NASA astronauts and fighter pilots have encountered extra-terrestrials.
The fact that people refuse to accept it is appalling. Read a little. Do just a touch of research on the subject, and you'll discover we have been visited for as long as there have been living beings on the Earth.
Get the book, or look up Ronald Reagan's briefing at Camp David from March 6-8, 1981. William Casey, Secretary Caspar Weinberger, and an extremely knowledgeable person referred to as The Caretaker answered all his questions and disclosed information on aliens.
Also:
"They're Parked on The Side of the Crater, THEY’RE WATCHING US"! Neil Armstrong Landed On The Moon
LINK
The fact that people refuse to accept it is appalling. Read a little. Do just a touch of research on the subject, and you'll discover we have been visited for as long as there have been living beings on the Earth.
Get the book, or look up Ronald Reagan's briefing at Camp David from March 6-8, 1981. William Casey, Secretary Caspar Weinberger, and an extremely knowledgeable person referred to as The Caretaker answered all his questions and disclosed information on aliens.
Also:
"They're Parked on The Side of the Crater, THEY’RE WATCHING US"! Neil Armstrong Landed On The Moon
LINK
Posted on 11/21/18 at 7:43 am to funnystuff
quote:
I don’t think we assume any one of those things.
But we have to start somewhere. What you’re describing as inflexible assumptions are simply our starting points.
I agree with that.. maybe my phrasing was poor. I don’t think the SETI scientists are inflexible on their assumptions, I think they are doing the best they can with technology and resources we have today.
What I should have said is that you have to buy into all of these assumptions to read into the Fermi Paradox. If you believe in the Fermi Paradox, you believe that there is no widespread colonization by other species. And if you believe that, you must believe that if there were widespread colonization, we would have detected it by now. Which seems naive to me.
Hopefully that makes more sense.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 7:44 am to klrstix
quote:
quote:
particles colliding
Colliding particles are not the only thing to worry about...
particles passing by each other disrupt both their electro-magnetic and gravitational fields...
If you add that to the thought of trillions of particles having to be in an exact spot/motion and taking consideration of the orbits of every last electron, etc. Is it even really theoretically possible for the two cars to pass through each other without touching. On a simple level, just considering the space....sure.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 7:46 am to Soup Sammich
I think it is foolish and conceited to not consider that we are not already "interstellar" as humans, or slightly evolved extra-terrestrials. Who can say that the earth wasn't identified as a potential nursery and "seeded" with human ancestors as a way of guaranteeing the survival of our parent species?
Evolution theory still fits in the scenario.
Evolution theory still fits in the scenario.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 7:50 am to Y.A. Tittle
quote:
Brown people? Who are we?
The U.S? No other country is even close to leaving this rock
This post was edited on 11/21/18 at 7:53 am
Posted on 11/21/18 at 8:09 am to bmy
Are you saying we (Americans) are uniquely destructive among the human race? Are you a total and complete simpleton?
Posted on 11/21/18 at 8:11 am to Soup Sammich
When I first learned of this, I saw that several people advised to read the book
Saturn Run by John Sandford
It has an interesting take on a unique alien first contact not mentioned in theory -- and how our planet reacts to the entire situation. Several surprises in it and an exciting and excellent read. Very believable in many aspects.
Saturn Run by John Sandford
It has an interesting take on a unique alien first contact not mentioned in theory -- and how our planet reacts to the entire situation. Several surprises in it and an exciting and excellent read. Very believable in many aspects.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 8:44 am to Soup Sammich
quote:
It seems humans can’t evolve enough to be able to ever have interstellar space travel.
Unless you consider that we will likely end up creating an AI that will be our robot overlord and will have the ability to travel long distances without food or aging.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 8:58 am to Y.A. Tittle
quote:
Are you saying we (Americans) are uniquely destructive among the human race? Are you a total and complete simpleton?
I think you should learn to fricking read

Posted on 11/21/18 at 1:13 pm to Soup Sammich
quote:Wouldn't that same logic also show that there are some species that can over come this and still keep its civilization intact after such events or even avoid them?
Reason is time. It seems the odds of a catastrophic event that resets life on planets happen too frequently.
Popular
Back to top
