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Posted on 8/22/14 at 11:32 am to Peazey
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The idea defies reasoning and cannot be considered a reliable argument or proof of anything. You might as well say that existence has always existed.
The idea must be true, no matter one's philosophical beliefs.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 11:32 am to beejon
I'll concede that it proves something.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 11:33 am to Salmon
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no...it does not
It has to. No way around it.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 11:34 am to beejon
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It has to. No way around it.
no it doesn't
just because we haven't discovered the answer to something, doesn't mean it has to be "supernatural"
Posted on 8/22/14 at 11:36 am to Rickety Cricket
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Sadly, no. A closed mind is a scary thing.
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Rickety Cricket
Posted on 8/22/14 at 11:36 am to Salmon
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no it doesn't
just because we haven't discovered the answer to something, doesn't mean it has to be "supernatural"
If first cause exists outside natural laws, it must be supernatural. There exists no first cause in ou natural laws.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 11:37 am to beejon
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There exists no first cause in our known natural laws.
like I said, just because we don't know, doesn't mean it has to be supernatural
it is perfectly ok for us to say "we don't know"
we don't have to stick "God" into every unknown answer
This post was edited on 8/22/14 at 11:40 am
Posted on 8/22/14 at 11:39 am to beejon
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There exists no first cause in ou natural laws.
Yet.
There exists no first cause in our natural laws YET.
Thats the beauty of logical thinking and placing your trust in science.
There is always tomorrow.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 11:40 am to Salmon
quote:Neil deGrasse Tyson: "God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance, getting smaller and smaller as time goes on."
we don't have to stick "God" into every unknown answer
This post was edited on 8/22/14 at 11:43 am
Posted on 8/22/14 at 11:43 am to beejon
I gave you the benefit of the doubt for awhile, but you are literally a moron
Posted on 8/22/14 at 11:43 am to boom roasted
Why can only one exist? This makes no sense when either side proposes it.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 11:44 am to The First Cut
I'm not closed minded. I would be thrilled to see any actual evidence of angels, demons, or anything of the like.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 11:44 am to Salmon
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like I said, just because we don't know, doesn't mean it has to be supernatural
it is perfectly ok for us to say "we don't know"
we don't have to stick "God" into every unknown answer
But eventually first cause must be stuck into every equation.
For example, something caused the universe. No matter if we know what caused it or not, there was still a cause. Was the 'something' which caused the universe first cause? If not, what caused the cause of the universe...and on an on until we meet, whatever it is, the uncaused first cause. Now, if you wish to dismiss the supernatural aspect of that, go ahead, but there is a first cause which cannot exist if we apply natural laws of today. Today, it exists and it's supernatural.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 11:45 am to Rickety Cricket
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I'm not closed minded.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 11:46 am to boom roasted
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Neil deGrasse Tyson: "God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance, getting smaller and smaller as time goes on."
I'd have to completely disagree. As scientific discoveries are made, the indescribable complexity of creation is observed which continually defies simple naturalistic mechanisms producing such a creation.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 11:46 am to The First Cut
quote:Why can only one what exist?
Why can only one exist? This makes no sense when either side proposes it.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 11:46 am to DrSteveBrule
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I gave you the benefit of the doubt for awhile, but you are literally a moron
Ouch!
Posted on 8/22/14 at 11:47 am to boom roasted
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Why can only one what exist?
First cause.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 11:47 am to boom roasted
God and science.
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