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Posted on 9/26/25 at 6:08 pm to cgrand
quote:None.
none of that was by chance?
quote:And this right here is the issue. Only God knows. Man will never, ever be smart enough to figure out God. "Scientist" trying to decide how old the earth is, is a no go. Every machine made to help determine how old the earth is, has a fault. Formulas are made by man. Then those formulas are entered into devices. Not I nor you or anyone else currently on earth have the wisdom to determine how old the earth is or how many animals have walked the earth.
we estimate
Posted on 9/26/25 at 6:11 pm to nealnan8
quote:Sin is your answer. However, they go to heaven and the trade off when they arrive is better than anything they would have experienced on earth.
Not trolling at all, but why does God let innocent children die?
Posted on 9/26/25 at 6:17 pm to kajunman
quote:if only God knows, then you have no way of knowing this
there were no booms
If you are trying to say the Big Bang theory is anti-God, you’re wrong because there were a lot of believers working on that theory
Posted on 9/26/25 at 6:25 pm to DavidTheGnome
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You’re attributing a lack of understanding in something to it must be impossible and then inventing a convenient way to explain it though
You haven’t provided any explanation for the fine tuning of the universe, which is a scientific observation.
If you haven’t thought about that and you are an atheist/agnostic then you just haven’t done your homework. You might want to do some reading… your soul depends on it.
Posted on 9/26/25 at 6:28 pm to Globetrotter747
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In all likelihood, anything we don’t know today will be answered tomorrow
That’s a “science of the gaps” argument. The same type of argument you criticized earlier in your post.
Just because many things have been explained by science isn’t evidence that god doesn’t exist.
Science still hasn’t answered the big questions and it likely never will.
Posted on 9/26/25 at 6:38 pm to Knuckle Checker
quote:how interesting for you to say that, because the history of knowledge is just the opposite...it is "god of the gaps", where the unexplainable (lightning for example) is attributed to god/gods until we figure out the truth
That’s a “science of the gaps” argument
quote:science is nit in the business of proving a negative, science is simply the search for knowledge. knowledge does not presuppose the existence or non-existence of anything
Just because many things have been explained by science isn’t evidence that god doesn’t exist.
Posted on 9/26/25 at 6:43 pm to kajunman
quote:oh my
Not I nor you or anyone else currently on earth have the wisdom to determine how old the earth is or how many animals have walked the earth.
you do concede we humans have the wisdom to count, right?
Posted on 9/26/25 at 7:02 pm to cgrand
quote:
how interesting for you to say that, because the history of knowledge is just the opposite...it is "god of the gaps", where the unexplainable (lightning for example) is attributed to god/gods until we figure out the truth
I understand that.
But the history of science has no bearing on how it will answer the next question.
Just because science figured out that thunder wasn’t caused by God doesn’t mean it will eventually determine God doesn’t exist. That’s illogical. Science is just as likely to determine God does exist.
He (and you) have just as much faith in science to prove your worldview as most Christians have is Christ.
You just worship a different god.
Posted on 9/26/25 at 7:05 pm to kajunman
When you say sin, do you mean the sins of all men, or the sins of the children who died?
Posted on 9/26/25 at 7:07 pm to nealnan8
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When you say sin, do you mean the sins of all men, or the sins of the children who died?
When Adam fell, so did we fall with him. We are living on a fallen planet- so bad things happen, even to innocent babies.
Posted on 9/26/25 at 7:10 pm to Knuckle Checker
quote:I certainly didn’t say that. The search for knowledge will be, and always has been, based on the evidence. And again, you are clinging to the notion that the search for knowledge has a vested interest in disproving the existence of anything god included.
Just because science figured out that thunder wasn’t caused by God doesn’t mean it will eventually determine God doesn’t exist.
quote:one more time…determining a “worldview” in advance of the knowledge of the world is antithetical to the scientific method. The search for knowledge is not motivated by the desire to “own the faithful”
He (and you) have just as much faith in science to prove your worldview as most Christians have is Christ.
Posted on 9/26/25 at 7:12 pm to cgrand
You have a different argument than the person I was responding to. My original post and subsequent posts weren’t meant for you but rather a defense of my original position.
If you have a question or statement that’s different I’ll respond to that separately.
If you have a question or statement that’s different I’ll respond to that separately.
Posted on 9/26/25 at 7:14 pm to SallysHuman
If God does this bevause of man's sins, then why doesn't he kill a sinful adult instead of an innocent child?
Posted on 9/26/25 at 7:16 pm to nealnan8
It began with Adam and Eve and got progressively worse from there. They had the opportunity to live a perfect life. Imagine a perfect world. The world was like that for a short period of time. Very short.
Posted on 9/26/25 at 7:18 pm to cgrand
Sure we can count. Who decided what formula determined the age of earth with no documentation ? Action theory is great and all but it's still a man made calculation.
Posted on 9/26/25 at 7:19 pm to GreenRockTiger
Genesis chapter one debunks the big bang theory.
Posted on 9/26/25 at 7:19 pm to Knuckle Checker
fair enough
what I do believe is that we humans will figure it out one way or another. We have been here so short of a time and we have so much to learn. To suppose that we have the answers now, or that we had them 2000 years ago, seems to me to be a mistake
what I do believe is that we humans will figure it out one way or another. We have been here so short of a time and we have so much to learn. To suppose that we have the answers now, or that we had them 2000 years ago, seems to me to be a mistake
Posted on 9/26/25 at 7:19 pm to nealnan8
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If God does this bevause of man's sins, then why doesn't he kill a sinful adult instead of an innocent child?
Better hearts and minds than mine have spoken well on this.
As for me... I believe in God's Purpose for each of us and His Plan for all of us.
As a human, a created being, I do not and cannot know the mind of God. Nor would I ever claim to do so or answer for Him.
Posted on 9/26/25 at 7:21 pm to kajunman
quote:how old do you think this planet is?
Who decided what formula determined the age of earth with no documentation ?
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