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re: Do You Agree Corporal Punishment (Spanking) Is Barbaric When You Think About It?
Posted on 1/9/16 at 9:44 pm to Redbone
Posted on 1/9/16 at 9:44 pm to Redbone
you come across as being at odds with your decision to spank or not necessarily for it
and it takes a lot more patience to stand there and keep a hyperactive child in time out/put him back and keep restarting the timer than just administering a spanking. but it was worth it for me. I can't even watch violence or fights on tv. I sure couldn't perpetuate it against my own child
quote:I had my son at 20, and I was a single parent by the time I was 23. I read a lot of books to educate myself. I personally do not like being hurt and hate violence. spanking is violent. I've never been in a fight, never punched anyone. why would I hit or physically hurt my child when there are other methods, such as time out?
Please explain how a couple in their twenties faced with a less than perfect child are supposed to know all of these alternate methods of steering a child's behavior. Rich people, poor trailer trash, single parents, and whatever you can come up with, how do they know all of these pie in the sky little tricks?
and it takes a lot more patience to stand there and keep a hyperactive child in time out/put him back and keep restarting the timer than just administering a spanking. but it was worth it for me. I can't even watch violence or fights on tv. I sure couldn't perpetuate it against my own child
quote:sure but according to that logic, it's teaching them not to do things that are "bad or wrong" because they might get hurt. I tried to teach my child to think about other people, to think about how he would want to be treated, to consider the consequences of his actions as an intelligent and individual person, as opposed to a simpleton who just doesn't want to be physically hurt
If a person is purposefully taught that being a bad person can have painful results doesn't that teach them to want to be a good person?
This post was edited on 1/9/16 at 9:47 pm
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Posted on 1/9/16 at 9:47 pm to Paige
quote:thoughtful , analytical paige gets me hard
Paige
Posted on 1/9/16 at 9:49 pm to OWLFAN86
someone hacked my account hittin is good
Posted on 1/9/16 at 9:49 pm to Paige
That's all well and good but sometimes you need the undivided attention that 2-3 swats on the behind will bring you faster that anything else.
And sadly, violence is still what makes shite happen in this world. Better the kid learns it from someone who cares about them than jihad John.
And sadly, violence is still what makes shite happen in this world. Better the kid learns it from someone who cares about them than jihad John.
Posted on 1/9/16 at 10:23 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
His point is liberals put out information/opinions with nothing backing it up, while putting down on people who disagree with them, even though they have their own experiences. So it's not just a blind liberal put down, other opinions have been said by many parents that probably did their best. Many of them whipped when necessary, and now have successful functioning adults for kids.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 8:06 pm to Paige
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you come across as being at odds with your decision to spank or not necessarily for it
I, personally, have the experience to see other ways. At the present time I am working closely with my son on a 4 yr. old granddaughter that is 99.5% sweet but the other .5% is very troubling. Although he is seeking professional help 1 hr./wk. isn't enough. Spanking or yelling at her during the .5% will only make it worse. I've found a way that doesn't include either. The answer to your sentence is yes, I much prefer not to resort to spanking whenever it can possibly be avoided.
The reason I defend the use of spanking is purely because I well remember my days of raising my 3 sons. All 3 were distinctly different although I was blessed with not ever having a really bad one.
Of the 3, one of them never required me to use my last option, spanking. Usually a slap or two on the hiney got their attention. I never felt good about it BUT it always worked. I didn't have the time to study books in those days so I was left to my own devices. I defend those that were as ignorant as I was at 20-30 because of personal experience which was extensive due to my interaction with other families (Boy Scout leader, Little League coach, ... vol. fire chief may count a little too). What I'm seeing in here are people that seem to have no personal experience of being a young parent completely untrained to be such trying to raise a child to be a productive member of society trying to compare dogs donkeys and such to kids.
I never beat a dog. .... I never beat a kid. I don't support BEATING either. I have spanked a kid AND I have "spanked" a dog. There are no laws around here preventing me from popping a dog on the arse with a rolled up newspaper. In fact the books I was given to read in my younger years concerning training animals did teach the stick and carrot method.
I don't like violence either but when all else fails a person does what they have to do. As of this writing it seems that 260 agree with me to some extent.
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but according to that logic, it's teaching them not to do things that are "bad or wrong" because they might get hurt.
That is correct. When all else fails that is the stick part of the stick and carrot training.
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as opposed to a simpleton who just doesn't want to be physically hurt
I'm that simpleton. I was taught right from wrong but Dad saw the need to instill some fear in me a few times. It worked because I didn't and still don't want to get hurt. It didn't make me mean, sneaky are any of the other things those liberal posters mentioned. ... just a productive member of society that knows what will happen if I decide to do wrong. And those 2 kids I saw the need to spank, .. those simpletons went on to college graduating in the top of their classes (one a chemical engineer with a 3.94 gpa) are now being the barbarians the OP suggested. They are using those same training tools I used. Their future simpletons are doing pretty well so far.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 8:09 pm to Mullet Flap
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Spanking just teaches your kids that hitting will get the kid what he wants and is acceptable.
See Paige? It's idiots like this liberal that has no clue.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 8:10 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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And do you have a link that the affluenza kid wasn't spanked? Or are you just pulling that out of your arse?
Do you even try to keep up with the news?
Posted on 1/10/16 at 8:22 pm to Redbone
Your prior post was well put
For me, spanking was not an option for reasons previously mentioned. Op is a douche and his op is shite and I don't relate to it at all. Pretty sure that's why he got all the downvotes. Also it's very easy for people who have never been parents to spout off shite
Maybe as a stay at home mom for my son's first couple of years, I was afforded more time to read and educate myself. And i agree that spanking can be effective and I don't think it's as abusive as some make it out to be. My granddaddy certainly used it and I won't call him anything other than perfect
But I also think other methods can be effective, though a lot of work. And it bothers me when people say spanking is necessary and that kids who weren't spanked are behavior problems. Because I know that's not true
This post was edited on 1/10/16 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 1/10/16 at 9:03 pm to Paige
Well thanks. I appreciate that.
I did congratulate you on a job well done. Especially the extra effort you put into it.
I have time and experience on my side now and hope to get this granddaughter of mine on the right track.
I did congratulate you on a job well done. Especially the extra effort you put into it.
I have time and experience on my side now and hope to get this granddaughter of mine on the right track.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 9:09 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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My 68 years of experience (research?) indicates the worst kids come from wealthy families that did not spank them.
One of them sits in a Mexican jail fighting extradition last I heard.
I must be one of the worst then
Your words BUT aren't you the one that referred to nearly everyone in this thread as white trash and me as a dumbass? It appears to me that your parents could have improved on the way they brought you up. Lack of respect for others and a few other identifiable issues indicates something more could have done.
I just checked:
269 white trashes, one of those (me) being a dumbass.
23 of you very learned and enlightened individuals.
If that ain't liberal thinking I'll kiss your arse in Times Square and give you 2 days to draw a crowd.
This post was edited on 1/10/16 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 1/10/16 at 9:48 pm to Redbone
Posted on 1/10/16 at 10:17 pm to Redbone
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Please explain how a couple in their twenties faced with a less than perfect child are supposed to know all of these alternate methods of steering a child's behavior. Rich people, poor trailer trash, single parents, and whatever you can come up with, how do they know all of these pie in the sky little tricks?
That spanking is okay because the parents may be ignorant or lazy is not much of an argument. Libraries, book stores, hospitals, county health services, pediatricians, the internet, etc. there is a large number of sources were parenting information is available mostly free to anyone that makes a small effort.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 10:46 pm to EA6B
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That spanking is okay because the parents may be ignorant or lazy is not much of an argument.
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Libraries, book stores, hospitals, county health services, pediatricians, the internet, etc. there is a large number of sources were parenting information is available mostly free to anyone that makes a small effort.
I can see you have no idea how and where people live, assume people in their 20s know these things or even have the time to read what is available. You assume too much.
I've been to pediatricians with the kids, even grandkids of late. I've been in hospitals, too much of late. I know county health services is available. Shall I go on? The problem with your solutions? They are good for those that have recognized a problem. Having to pop a kid on the butt a couple or even a few times is not considered abnormal to the average person of 20-30 years old. Why would they think to seek help? Hell, a 20 yr. old person's brain is still growing, basically kids themselves. Now you expect a 22 yr. old single mother to look for professional help after she has popped her 4 yr. old kid on the butt a few times?
Hindsight (no pun intended) is 20/20. Put yourself in their shoes. We have all that available around here. All the 18 yr. old mothers around here told about is where to get financial gov't assistance. The young married couples are both holding down jobs. They don't know of these things, know that they need them nor have time to use them.
EA6B mean you are/were a Prowler driver? One of my cousins did that for a while.
This post was edited on 1/10/16 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 1/11/16 at 11:58 am to Redbone
Nope, don't spank 'em
Posted on 1/11/16 at 12:26 pm to Poncho
Adrian Peterson disagrees with you
Posted on 1/11/16 at 12:27 pm to Poncho
I can guarantee you the five dindu's in the NYC gang rape thread were never spanked.
Posted on 1/11/16 at 12:29 pm to Poncho
25 to 287 = you lose. 
Posted on 1/11/16 at 12:30 pm to CatsGoneWild
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Adrian Peterson disagrees with you
who's adrian peterson?
i've heard the name but don't know who he is or what he's famous for.
Posted on 1/11/16 at 12:31 pm to dnm3305
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