re: DKE fraternity in the news again

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You seem quick to judge these boys, what proof do you have that these ridiculous things occurred?

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I've changed this post from apologetic to frick these kids. I will judge away.

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How many of these boys were charged for simply being officers of the fraternity at the time of the alleged acts?

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That’s a good point if true but I haven’t read of any being charged just on that basis.

That’s correct I’m not disagreeing. But opiates have totally changed the game. And these guys were constantly doing them plus alcohol, cocaine, and other drugs.

Agreed. Far more than you know even. This is some serious trashy behavior and well within the purview of the University, if what is reported is true. That’s not even debatable.

But that doesn’t negate my general assessment, which I stand by completely -about LSU Administration’s goal to indoctrinate male students into effeminate Progressive busybodies. Or that we have understood as a truism of life that men from 18-22 need a little more leeway ( not talking violent crime here) to make that transition from boyhood to manhood. I mean, Plato wrote about that, it’s an accepted part of the Western philosophical canon. Bro’s doing bro stuff at that age is absolutely essential. Just because these Deke idiots got it all wrong doesn’t invalidate that idea.

The boy from Baton Rouge and the boy from Zachary are both graduates of Catholic High School in Baton Rouge.

Essentially you guys were gentlemen and you were smiling and laughing. That’s how I remember my Fraternity days(84-88). The vast majority of guys were gentlemen. We had a code. It was honorable in nature. Guys were excelling. We had LSU football players and guys who went to med school after three years and guys who went on to land jets on aircraft carriers and pastor huge churches and so forth. But this , if true, sounds like true malevolence-people being hurt and injured, real humiliation. Certainly nothing you or I would relate to our experience.

The new law also makes officers criminally liable for not reporting it.

Exactly, I went to his apartment, told him one of the guys was thinking about quiting, and asked him to ride over to the guy's house to talk him into staying with it. I pulled into the garage, he got out,they grabbed him, and tied his hands behind him, We tried to get him to sign then, and he refused.

At that point, we let him call his date, and let her know he was going to be late. We put a paper bag over his head, drove to the camp, tapped the keg,and played cards for a couple of hours. He quit drinking, so we took him out in the cold, and tied him to the tree. A lawnmower and a gas can were sitting there and boom, a new tradition was born.

The active, and the pledge who s paddle he wouldn't sign both liking a girl was the reason he wouldn't sign the guy's paddle.

After that Sat. night, the actives knew they needed to initiate us. Our Sunday night pledge meeting included sort of a reenactment of what we did to the poor guy. The elongated oval burn marks were still there when the new pledges had their first meeting. They were very curious about what happened back there.

It was all in fun, and nobody got hurt, save for a hard lick from a paddle. My little brother would have been mad if I didn't pop him hard.

Livingston Saturday night.

Sounds like a good time.

At present, the information has elements that go both ways.
Mitigating:
Details of many of the acts seem to be easily prone to exaggeration. Example, even back in my day (a fricking long time ago, dammit), I remember references of DKEs often throwing bottles on the BB court and having pledges clean it up, rinse, repeat. So was it laying on glass or rather laying on a surface that may have had some glass shards scattered about, more or less?

A “kick” could be anything from a hard prod type thing to an actual full motion kick. Wouldn’t really kicking someone in the torso result in more serious injuries? Wouldn’t hitting someone in the head/face with a steel pipe also?

Wouldn’t a prominent varsity wrestler punching someone with the intent to injure cause more damage than mere bruising or whatever?

In this present climate, it’s easy to assume that estranged/blackballed persons would be emboldened to fabricate charges for payback and the likelihood of success for that.

Against:
The charges are based on multiple accounts, so not just one rogue actor.

Assuming the claims are exaggerated yet still somewhat based in fact, what idiocy to do even a scaled-down version of the actions given the now decades-old social climate. Tone deaf as frick.

Can the accused credibly claim that nothing remotely related to the claims happened whatsoever?

In sum, based on present info, I think it’s most likely that shite happened that wouldn’t be as big of a deal long ago but by today’s standards, is judged horribly wrong, even criminal. Not that I myself think it should be so, but the fact remains.

Good luck honestly up or down voting because there’s something for everyone here.