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re: Disney Vacation Club: Is it worth it?
Posted on 3/2/20 at 7:21 pm to CP3forMVP
Posted on 3/2/20 at 7:21 pm to CP3forMVP
Well, I’m doing it wrong. I am fricking exhausted. Just spent a week there with my daughter and she had a blast. I’m still fricking tired and if I see another fat frick on a scooter any time soon, I’m tipping that bitch over.
Posted on 3/3/20 at 9:20 am to CP3forMVP
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Yeah this isn't even remotely true.
Want me to send you the spreadsheet I ran for proof? By the end of the contract, based on 3% annual increases on dues which is the average for the last 10 year period, your dues over 50 years will be well over $100,000. Then add your initial buy in and you are in for 150k
Posted on 3/3/20 at 10:06 am to finchmeister08
I bought into DVC in 1993. I paid like $40 a point and I have 260 points. I also got free tickets to WDW until 1999 as an incentive to purchase. We must've gone 20 times during that time with our young children.
Now my kids are grown and I don't have grandkids yet. I haven't used my points in a couple years (been banking them) so I have been wondering the same thing. I guess it depends on your stage of life.
For us, yes it was definitely worth it.
Now my kids are grown and I don't have grandkids yet. I haven't used my points in a couple years (been banking them) so I have been wondering the same thing. I guess it depends on your stage of life.
For us, yes it was definitely worth it.
Posted on 3/3/20 at 12:47 pm to ELVIS U
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I haven't used my points in a couple years (been banking them)
Rent em out. Going through Daves you can get 14.50 - 15.50 a point, which will more than cover your annual dues.
14.50 * 260 = $3770. Assuming your dues are around $15-$1600, that's a nice little bonus.
Pocket the difference and apply to a non-disney vacation.
Posted on 3/3/20 at 12:52 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:Saratoga was going for $55/point in 2013 with some of the lowest dues because it’s so big and there weren’t the restrictions that exist now. 150 points there at that time and you could sell now for almost double your purchase price negating even the yearly dues you paid the last 6 years.
The best time to buy into DVC was 10-15 years ago. The prices to buy direct, like everything else as Disney, has skyrocketed.
Posted on 3/3/20 at 2:21 pm to ELVIS U
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I bought into DVC in 1993. I paid like $40 a point
In 27 years, the price to buy new points from Disney has thus gone up almost 5X.
Posted on 3/3/20 at 2:25 pm to LSUFanHouston
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In 27 years, the price to buy new points from Disney has thus gone up almost 5X.
And the Dow Jones is up by 7.5X.
Posted on 3/3/20 at 2:26 pm to finchmeister08
I've been there 5 times since 1980. While the place was awesome and has gotten better than I could have imagined, it is no longer worth the cheapest daily price.
Forget any club price.
Forget any club price.
quote:Not even if this was the total price for a lifetime for a person sub teen.
$29k
Posted on 3/3/20 at 2:28 pm to xXLSUXx
quote:Yeah, that money would have been better invested in D.J.
And the Dow Jones is up by 7.5X.
Posted on 3/3/20 at 2:34 pm to xXLSUXx
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And the Dow Jones is up by 7.5X.
And desktop computers are down by a multiple.
Posted on 3/3/20 at 2:35 pm to Redbone
It’s not meant to be an investment.
DVC is a luxury item meant to give people “cheaper” access to condo-style resorts on property at Disney. Period. If you go yearly and want to stay in a place with a kitchen and laundry in the room while getting the perks of staying on site, this is an option for you. Over time, it can make sense. If I was in the market now, I’d rent 100% of the time though. This thing was a steal in 1993 when the points were cheap and the tickets were included. Disney didn’t market it then though. It wasn’t a money maker and it was just one resort. But they noticed that the people who bought in spent the most while on property and they also stayed the most often. DVC members were big spenders. And they still are. But it’s been a huge promotion since the early 2000s when kiosks started popping up in the parks. Since then they’ve slowly stripped away perks and even more so for the resale contracts.
DVC is a luxury item meant to give people “cheaper” access to condo-style resorts on property at Disney. Period. If you go yearly and want to stay in a place with a kitchen and laundry in the room while getting the perks of staying on site, this is an option for you. Over time, it can make sense. If I was in the market now, I’d rent 100% of the time though. This thing was a steal in 1993 when the points were cheap and the tickets were included. Disney didn’t market it then though. It wasn’t a money maker and it was just one resort. But they noticed that the people who bought in spent the most while on property and they also stayed the most often. DVC members were big spenders. And they still are. But it’s been a huge promotion since the early 2000s when kiosks started popping up in the parks. Since then they’ve slowly stripped away perks and even more so for the resale contracts.
Posted on 3/3/20 at 2:37 pm to ell_13
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But it’s been a huge promotion since the early 2000s when kiosks started popping up in the parks.
Right. Every park has at least one kiosk, there are several at Disney Springs, one at each hotel, one on each cruise ship, etc. You can't even ride Magical Express without getting hit with a video commercial about it.
That tells you just how profitable this is for the Mouse.
Posted on 3/3/20 at 2:48 pm to LSUFanHouston
My point was that Disney wasn’t trying to make money on DVC Itself at the time. They were simply trying to lock in a customer base for 50 years thinking it could be a model for a more stable customer, not necessarily one that spent more than others. They didn’t know what they had until they realized the money these people would spend. Eventually, as they promoted DVC to bring in more of these consistent high spenders, they had enough of a base with enough points out to start removing perks and making the buy-in equivalent of a major purchase like a car even offering loans (which are an absolutely terrible idea).
What they have a love/hate relationship with is the resale market. They love that it’s strong because it weeds out people who won’t go spend money in the parks anymore and transfers the contract to a family who will. But Disney itself doesn’t get any upfront money on that. The racket is the right of first refusal where they can purchase ANY contract that is sold for the sales price. This does two things. They can price fix to an extent and they can resell those points with plenty of overhead likely to someone who’s going to spend more than the person buying the resale contract. Because they noticed that while resale buyers tend to spend more money than the average guest, they spend way less than people who can afford the direct contract. There’s the rub. They want a strong resale market but not too strong because it lowers the ROR per DVC member.
What they have a love/hate relationship with is the resale market. They love that it’s strong because it weeds out people who won’t go spend money in the parks anymore and transfers the contract to a family who will. But Disney itself doesn’t get any upfront money on that. The racket is the right of first refusal where they can purchase ANY contract that is sold for the sales price. This does two things. They can price fix to an extent and they can resell those points with plenty of overhead likely to someone who’s going to spend more than the person buying the resale contract. Because they noticed that while resale buyers tend to spend more money than the average guest, they spend way less than people who can afford the direct contract. There’s the rub. They want a strong resale market but not too strong because it lowers the ROR per DVC member.
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