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re: Did you go to church growing up?
Posted on 2/5/22 at 10:19 am to VernonPLSUfan
Posted on 2/5/22 at 10:19 am to VernonPLSUfan
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. I'm more old school, than the kaoroke crap they have now.
this, this, this X a gazillion, every church I've been to in recent years is a big, choreographed, Christian rock show, the church that my wife and daughter go to is a mega-church with multiple "campuses," in multiple states(a big business,) the "service" is scripted, and timed to the second because there are back to back services, and the "message" is watched via video, streamed in from the master base campus, they love it but it turns my stomach
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Posted on 2/5/22 at 10:19 am to SG_Geaux
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I realized as a teenager that my analytical brain just doesn't allow me to believe in a magical creator guiding us all like a puppet master. Nothing to do with me being disenchanted with the church.
I appreciate the response and honesty.
What about the dilemma of logic (or dis-logic) of addressing the notion that EVERYTHING has a Creator? How do you intellectually dismiss the perfection and purpose of design -- WITHOUT a "Creator"?
Posted on 2/5/22 at 10:19 am to SaintlyTiger88
My family and I went to Church every Sunday, without fail. Even on vacations. Also went on every single Holy Day of Obligation.
I quit going when I moved out of my parents' house. I always found it boring and a waste of an hour on Sunday. When we were teenagers and could drive, we'd find the church with the shortest service. St Pius for the win. Usually clocked in at about 35 mins.
Sometimes we'd say we went to mass when we didn't.
I believe in God and pray but the obligation to go to a building every Sunday and do the same boring rituals always turned me off.
Another issue I have is this: my devout Catholic parents are going to a full mass funeral today at 11am. I asked them if they wanted to hang out later this afternoon. They can't b/c that 11am mass " doesn't count" for their weekly Sunday mass, so they have to go again at 4pm Saturday to their regular church, and that will "count" for Sunday mass. That kind of stuff really turns me off.
I quit going when I moved out of my parents' house. I always found it boring and a waste of an hour on Sunday. When we were teenagers and could drive, we'd find the church with the shortest service. St Pius for the win. Usually clocked in at about 35 mins.
Sometimes we'd say we went to mass when we didn't.
I believe in God and pray but the obligation to go to a building every Sunday and do the same boring rituals always turned me off.
Another issue I have is this: my devout Catholic parents are going to a full mass funeral today at 11am. I asked them if they wanted to hang out later this afternoon. They can't b/c that 11am mass " doesn't count" for their weekly Sunday mass, so they have to go again at 4pm Saturday to their regular church, and that will "count" for Sunday mass. That kind of stuff really turns me off.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 10:21 am to SaintlyTiger88
I went to Catholic school, so every Friday and then every Sunday with the Family. I don't go anymore. Church is anywhere you want it to be. You don't need four walls and a roof to speak to God. I go to my church every Sunday I can which is on the front deck of my bass boat in the marsh watching the sun come up.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 10:22 am to Liberator
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How do you intellectually dismiss the perfection and purpose of design -- WITHOUT a "Creator"?
Mass randomness over infinite time in an endless universe.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 10:23 am to Greenie10
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When we were teenagers and could drive, we'd find the church with the shortest service
My mom used to make us bring a bulletin back. I would send my sister into to the church to grab one. One time she called the priest and asked him if we were there and he covered for us.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 10:23 am to SG_Geaux
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I realized as a teenager that my analytical brain just doesn't allow me to believe in a magical creator guiding us all like a puppet master.
sounds like a copout, baw
Posted on 2/5/22 at 10:27 am to chRxis
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Interesting.
Was the "Gospel" explained to you so that you understood it? (I attended RCC and no one -- not even my parents -- ever explained the Gospel so that I could grasp it.
What ultimately undermined your definitive belief in God the Creator? Was it one single event? Or a litany?
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..grandfather was a Southern Baptist pastor, so Sunday School, regular service, Discipleship Training, and evening service every Sunday and evening service most Wednesdays, pretty much the entirety of my life til i went to college...
now, agnostic...
Interesting.
Was the "Gospel" explained to you so that you understood it? (I attended RCC and no one -- not even my parents -- ever explained the Gospel so that I could grasp it.
What ultimately undermined your definitive belief in God the Creator? Was it one single event? Or a litany?
Posted on 2/5/22 at 10:32 am to bbarras85
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My mom used to make us bring a bulletin back. I would send my sister into to the church to grab one. One time she called the priest and asked him if we were there and he covered for us.LINK
Hilarious. Same thing here.
The Bulletin provided "proof" that we attended the church service. Like a "receipt"
At the tail end of church attendance (at a RCC that themselves just mailed it in), I'd reserve just enough of our "offering" as "vig" to buy a candy bar or soda at the Firehouse on the way home.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 10:36 am to Liberator
My Grandmother lived a block away. If my parents partied to much on Sat. night, they would usually just drop us off. We would sneak over to my Grandmothers house when she was out of town and play until church was over, run back to church and wait for my mom to pick us up.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 10:37 am to bbarras85
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Church is anywhere you want it to be. You don't need four walls and a roof to speak to God. I go to my church every Sunday I can which is on the front deck of my bass boat in the marsh watching the sun come up.
Amen, brutha.
(although, some kind of Fellowship with other Believers is encouraged as per the Lord's strong suggestion)
Online Sermons have become my "Church" service. At least until I find a Christian Church that remains fully Biblical and does NOT bend the knee to focusing on "social" concerns.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 10:40 am to VernonPLSUfan
HA! Another great story. (Our parents were probably using our church attendance while the kids were there for private nooky-time.)
So how long were you able to pull off that scam without getting busted?
(and what denomination btw?)
So how long were you able to pull off that scam without getting busted?
(and what denomination btw?)
Posted on 2/5/22 at 10:48 am to Displaced
>>> ("How do you intellectually dismiss the perfection and purpose of design -- WITHOUT a 'Creator'?") <<<
Quite an assumption.
You'd have to fully dismiss the questions of what created "Time" itself? Matter? Energy? Design?
And then there's the "Alchemy" of gluing it all together. "Randomly".
I ask respectively -- isn't the only "logical" explanation here, "God-the-Creator"?
Can't we see Reason, Purpose, and especially "Design"?
quote:
Mass randomness over infinite time in an endless universe.
Quite an assumption.
You'd have to fully dismiss the questions of what created "Time" itself? Matter? Energy? Design?
And then there's the "Alchemy" of gluing it all together. "Randomly".
I ask respectively -- isn't the only "logical" explanation here, "God-the-Creator"?
Can't we see Reason, Purpose, and especially "Design"?
Posted on 2/5/22 at 10:53 am to Liberator
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Quite an assumption.
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isn't the only "logical" explanation here, "God-the-Creator"?
One assumption is no different than the other.
Honestly, a creator is more likely a convenient excuse to appease answers to questions we can't comprehend, especially thousands of years ago.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 11:04 am to Liberator
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Catholicism has integrated within its ceremonial "Mass" many pagan practices and symbols into its rites and rituals that by design CAN be a form of "magic"
All those pagan practices that were practiced by Jesus and his disciples, or instituted by Jesus himself? quote:
The least of which is actually the belief that the wafer "Host" literally becomes "Jesus Christ" again -- along with His Crucifixion. OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
That’s not what Catholic’s believe. There is one sacrifice of which the Mass is a participation in. It is not a separate sacrifice repeated over and over. This is the way that Jesus’ own apostles celebrated and worshipped. I guess those guys got it wrong and your church which was formed 15 minutes ago got it right?
Posted on 2/5/22 at 11:07 am to Displaced
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One assumption is no different than the other.
Except when examining (or dismissing) the Evidence.
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Honestly, a creator is more likely a convenient excuse to appease answers to questions we can't comprehend, especially thousands of years ago.
But...Why suspend all logic and critical thinking skills?
All one needs to do is examine THE EVIDENCE.
(Every material thing; every thought -- even this very exchange -- is itself a fabrication, a creation.)
WHO or (what) created the mold for the idea? The thought?
And if there is Creation, there is obvious Purpose. "Randomness" my friend? Yes, there is such a thing; But at infinite odds?
This post was edited on 2/5/22 at 11:09 am
Posted on 2/5/22 at 11:09 am to Jimbeaux
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All those pagan practices that were practiced by Jesus and his disciples, or instituted by Jesus himself?
List the "pagan" practices used by Jesus Chrst; I'm willing to examine the evidence.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 11:13 am to SaintlyTiger88
Nah frick all that. I like the old gods better... Odin, Thor, Freya. They like to party.
This post was edited on 2/5/22 at 11:14 am
Posted on 2/5/22 at 11:14 am to Liberator
None of that is Evidence, it's all speculation.
quote:man and our knowledge of death in a quest to overinflate our self importance.
WHO or (what) created the mold for the idea?
quote:what purpose?
And if there is Creation, there is obvious Purpose.
quote:over infinite time and space? Absolutely
"Randomness" my friend? Yes, there is such a thing; But at infinite odds?
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