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re: Delphi, IN Murders Trial Thread

Posted on 11/11/24 at 9:23 am to
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 11/11/24 at 9:23 am to
I agree with you that they appear to be taking this very seriously and not rushing to a verdict. On the other hand, they may be trying to convince some jurors of a verdict. Hard to tell and I would also be interested to know the process they are going through here. I hope some of them will talk rather than considering writing a book.

Posted by Civildawg
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Posted on 11/11/24 at 9:36 am to
Haven't read through the whole thread, but is the consensus that he most likely did it but not enough evidence to convict?
Posted by baldona
Florida
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Posted on 11/11/24 at 9:43 am to
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I'm out the loop on this one but how could DNA evidence not be all over this shite? We're the investigators just terrible?


Now that the trial has happened, what did the prosecution say in regards to how the crimes occurred?

I get there may not be dna evidence from the perp since it was in the middle of the woods and they didn’t find the girls for a day, but what I don’t understand is how there appears to be no evidence of anyone else there or how the crime occurred? Struggle? Show prints? Time of death? Girls location to each other? Etc.

I have to assume if their throats were cut there was a very lot of blood.
This post was edited on 11/11/24 at 9:44 am
Posted by baldona
Florida
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Posted on 11/11/24 at 9:45 am to
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Haven't read through the whole thread, but is the consensus that he most likely did it but not enough evidence to convict?


Pretty much. No evidence of anyone else being there. He matches the description from some witnesses and the guy from the phone video, for the most part. He’s one of the only people confirmed there that day.

Beyond that, very little to no evidence of anything including anyone else being there. As far as I’ve seen.

If it wasn’t him, the killer was a damn ghost.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 11/11/24 at 9:48 am to
The case against him seems incredibly weak.
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 11/11/24 at 9:48 am to
quote:

Haven't read through the whole thread, but is the consensus that he most likely did it but not enough evidence to convict?


Opinions vary and have been subject to change as time went on. Also, this wasn't televised, so what we have to go on are reports from folks who were in the courtroom.
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 11/11/24 at 9:52 am to
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If it wasn’t him, the killer was a damn ghost.


If it was him, he was ghost like himself. The lack of evidence you mention in your post before this one is hard to comprehend. Whoever killed those girls had some mighty good luck in not leaving anything behind. I can't understand how that could have happened, but apparently it did in spite of some messed up police work.

I think he did it, but I'm not sure the jury can get to that verdict with what was presented. They will if they believe his confessions were not false and made due to his situation in prison.
Posted by baldona
Florida
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Posted on 11/11/24 at 10:21 am to
Part of me wonders, and maybe this came up, that when the girls were first found that maybe the crime scene was contaminated by civilians and emergency services to the point there was no longer any usable evidence? I just don’t see how basically in the woods they had no evidence at all of anyone else but the girls being there. I mean did they even have evidence of the girls walking there?
This post was edited on 11/11/24 at 10:21 am
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 11/11/24 at 10:43 am to
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Part of me wonders, and maybe this came up, that when the girls were first found that maybe the crime scene was contaminated by civilians and emergency services to the point there was no longer any usable evidence?


I don't recall seeing anything like this. When they were found, no one else had been in that area. Sounded like they blocked it off pretty quickly as it was obvious the girls were deceased. They did not try to revive them due to that, so I don't even think they were touched by the first people there.

I feel like we're going to hear something today. They've ended early just about every day and they had all day yesterday to ponder things individually. It would seem they would be discussing each member's vote and why at this point.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 11/11/24 at 10:59 am to
Seems crazy to me that there wasn't any footprint evidence. It was muddy, surely there were prints left.
Posted by redneck
Los Suenos, Costa Rica
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 11/11/24 at 11:34 am to
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I always wonder if they take a quick vote first to see where folks stand and then start going over evidence relative to people's opinions. This was a long trial with a lot of testimony.


This is what we did on the civil trial that I was a juror on. It was initially 8-4 in favor of one side and after a few hours of going through emails/documents one eventually flipped to give us the 9 we needed for a verdict.
Posted by bikerack
NH
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 11/11/24 at 12:19 pm to
Verdict is in. Not sure when it will be read.

I heard rumors that it would take 2 hours to get everyone in the court house. I think getting Rick Allen there is what takes the longest.

ETA - looks like it will be read at 2pm central.
This post was edited on 11/11/24 at 12:21 pm
Posted by SneezyBeltranIsHere
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 11/11/24 at 12:22 pm to
I have been following this case for many years, ever since the "Down The Hill" podcast was referred to me. I wasn't sure this moment would ever come. I truly have no idea what is about to happen.
This post was edited on 11/11/24 at 12:23 pm
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
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Posted on 11/11/24 at 12:34 pm to
WTHR just had video of family members heading into the courthouse. I assume the verdict is in but I don't know.

ETA
Hidden True Crime is live, if that is helpful to anyone
This post was edited on 11/11/24 at 12:36 pm
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 11/11/24 at 12:46 pm to
If a verdict is in, I think it's guilty.

It doesn't appear the jury got hung or if they did, it never required the judge to call everyone back to court to further instruct them to give it another try. I thought that might happen.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
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Posted on 11/11/24 at 1:08 pm to
I guess we still have some time before it's read.

I'll be very surprised if it's not a hung jury. It's so divided everywhere it's being discussed.

If it's guilty then the jury is telling every LE org in America to just toss people into solitary and wait for them to go insane and push them to confess. It would legitimize torture. This would be a disaster for criminal justice.

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Posted by m57
Flyover Country
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Posted on 11/11/24 at 1:08 pm to
I think it will be guilty but that he probably stands a decent chance on appeal.

State's case seemed very weak. I think he probably did it but it sure seemed there was plenty of room for reasonable doubt. The only damning thing seemed to be him him confessing about seeing a white van, although the guy who was driving the white van had a sketchy timeline.

No physical proof that it was him on the video or that he was the one who was at the crime scene. No DNA, no eye witnesses placing him there, only a somebody somewhat matching the description.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
20943 posts
Posted on 11/11/24 at 1:09 pm to
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If a verdict is in, I think it's guilty.

Some of the analysts have been saying that guilty usually comes back quick, but this case does not seem normal, so I don't know what to expect.

ETA
I'm refreshing X to see the latest posts. This surprised me. I thought it would be 50/50 in this poll. When I clicked on it it was 65/35 for not guilty.
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This post was edited on 11/11/24 at 1:12 pm
Posted by Gris Gris
OTIS!NO RULES FOR SAUCES ON STEAK!!
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Posted on 11/11/24 at 1:14 pm to
I don't have X, so I can't see those results.

If this was a hung jury, the judge would have instructed them to try longer when they first reported they were hung. At least, that's how things usually go.
Posted by m57
Flyover Country
Member since May 2017
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Posted on 11/11/24 at 1:15 pm to
Its 2/3'ds not guilty, 1/3rd guilty with 222 votes.
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