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Posted on 5/17/17 at 2:57 pm to Jumbo_Gumbo
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lack people have their own TV network, singles website, colleges, multiple black only groups and organizations,
1993 called, they want their dumb argument back
Posted on 5/17/17 at 3:02 pm to Rouge
I would like to know how many people on the board, who has expressed their support for the monuments, even knew they were there before all of this.
This isn't going to be a popular opinion, but I understand why people, especially black people, want them down. The Civil War was fought for state rights, with one of the main issues being slavery. The confederacy didn't want the federal government telling them what they could and couldn't do. The federal government wanted to abolish slavery, which they did after winning the war.
Monuments are put up in honor of people so having monuments of confederacy leaders can appear to be showing support of people who fought in favor of slavery (or in favor of individual states to determine whether or not slavery should be allowed).
To the people who are saying "so they want to get rid of history?", how many people in Germany are hanging swastika flags? Do they have monuments of Hitler around the country? After all, what Hitler did was part of history. Does Pearl Harbor have monuments of Japanese military leaders? After all, the Japanese bombing pearl harbor was history and evidently the only way history can exist is if monuments are put up.
All I am saying here is that I can understand both sides, but the removal of these monuments are causing tension between some white and black people. I would say the number of black people who really cared whether they were removed or not, is a small percentage. When these things happen, don't blame other people, blame the politicians. You average person, white or black, isn't giving a single frick about those monuments, but it gives politician leaders something to get people to rally around.
This is Landrieu's last term right? Either way, the people would not vote for him because of this probably didn't vote for him in the first place, so from a political gain point of view, it is probably more beneficial to him. And the black leaders who were pushing this.. It gives them something they can say "look what we did. So go vote for me".
This isn't going to be a popular opinion, but I understand why people, especially black people, want them down. The Civil War was fought for state rights, with one of the main issues being slavery. The confederacy didn't want the federal government telling them what they could and couldn't do. The federal government wanted to abolish slavery, which they did after winning the war.
Monuments are put up in honor of people so having monuments of confederacy leaders can appear to be showing support of people who fought in favor of slavery (or in favor of individual states to determine whether or not slavery should be allowed).
To the people who are saying "so they want to get rid of history?", how many people in Germany are hanging swastika flags? Do they have monuments of Hitler around the country? After all, what Hitler did was part of history. Does Pearl Harbor have monuments of Japanese military leaders? After all, the Japanese bombing pearl harbor was history and evidently the only way history can exist is if monuments are put up.
All I am saying here is that I can understand both sides, but the removal of these monuments are causing tension between some white and black people. I would say the number of black people who really cared whether they were removed or not, is a small percentage. When these things happen, don't blame other people, blame the politicians. You average person, white or black, isn't giving a single frick about those monuments, but it gives politician leaders something to get people to rally around.
This is Landrieu's last term right? Either way, the people would not vote for him because of this probably didn't vote for him in the first place, so from a political gain point of view, it is probably more beneficial to him. And the black leaders who were pushing this.. It gives them something they can say "look what we did. So go vote for me".
Posted on 5/17/17 at 3:06 pm to OweO
go back to the lunch thread idiot
Posted on 5/17/17 at 3:07 pm to rondo
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1-destroying history doesn't make it go away. Use it to teach a lesson...don't eradicate it.
fair statement. what lessons are those statues teaching?
quote:we "kowtow" to the elite financial minority every minute of every day. it only creates division where people are not willing to truly negotiate. when you have the whites that want to give up nothing and the blacks wanting everything, then you may never have real talks
kowtowing to the vocal minority is asking to create more division...not inclusion
quote:i don't know when it stops, but my guess is that it does not stop peacefully
where does it stop? the groundwork has been laid to tell people "yell loudly that your feelings are hurt and we will destroy shite for you"
Posted on 5/17/17 at 3:13 pm to recruitnik
quote:no you dense motherfricker...like it or not they are veterans who fought for states rights and what they believed was right at that time (i wouldn't expect a liberal progressive idiot like yourself to comprehend this).millions of soldiers (black and white) died just so you can sit here and cry about it, and they deserve fricking respect.
Those statues are just participation trophies for losers. Y'all are so fricking pathetic
Posted on 5/17/17 at 3:13 pm to OweO
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even knew they were
Ironically I learned about the Battle of Liberty Place after I saw it next the Aquarium one day. Googled it and was astonished I hadn't learned about it earlier.
I knew where the Beauregard and Lee statues were because I grew up and went to school close by both.
I didn't know much about the Jeff Davis statue until recently.
I am more angry about the process and the fact that Mitch seems more hell bent on erasing history than reconciling it.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 3:15 pm to recruitnik
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Those statues are just participation trophies for losers. Y'all are so fricking pathetic.
Want to know how I know you've never been to Europe?
You seem to think remembering inconvenient pasts is a recent American thing.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 3:21 pm to Rouge
i'm glad you are least seeing this troll job through with a response. Hit and run troll threads are lame
Too bad you got the banhammer
Too bad you got the banhammer
This post was edited on 5/17/17 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 5/17/17 at 3:21 pm to Rouge
If you give them what they want once, then you'll end up giving them everything they want. This is just the beginning.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 3:30 pm to Rouge
I am averse to stupidity, bullshite and deceit, hence the absolute knee jerk reaction to the scumbag Dylan Roof massacre by removing confederate monuments in NOLa just reeks of idiocy, especially in the case of Beauregard who was a champion of civil rights in his later years and Lee who was a fine man.
And the hypocrisy that many black slave owners at the time lived in New Orleans is also not lost on me.
And the hypocrisy that many black slave owners at the time lived in New Orleans is also not lost on me.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 3:39 pm to gadknot
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go back to the lunch thread idiot
I contribute to the thread.. You hijack the thread to tell me to go back to the lunch thread.. And I am the idiot?
Posted on 5/17/17 at 4:30 pm to OweO
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This isn't going to be a popular opinion, but I understand why people, especially black people, want them down.
Based on what you wrote after this statement, you actually don't seem to. If this were the real reason, it would have been a reason for decades...unless you're suggesting the statues are much younger than I know them to be.
This, like most things that seem to happen today, was all about politics and not actual hurt feelings or anyone really being upset.
You hit a point then didn't go the next obvious step...you had the foresight to ask those who supported keeping the statues in place if they knew where they were, suggesting they meant little to them before. why not ask the same for those you seem to "understand" in terms of them being offended? Did they know where they were? did they know WHO they were? Could they have told you anything about them at all...before they were told to be upset I mean?
If you have to gin up outrage, there was no outrage there. For decades there has been no outrage about these things. They were as innocuous a part of the city as any building. People have been neither offended by them or celebrating them. They were just there.
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